by TerryWalstrom 303 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Viv: would you mind NOT telling other people what they think and why? They (we) are perfectly capable of explaining it ourselves.
Hypocrite.
"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires."
- Susan B. Anthony
Annnnnd:
JD: I do not just say they mean whatever I want, because if I did that I'd still be a JW and I am not.
Hmmmmm....
Show me where I said other Christians are fake Christians? I said they don't listen to their own book, not that they were insincere.
I think you are confusing different things there. They can be both sincere but misguided - it's not one or the other.
There isn't one religion that has a 100% clear holy text that isn't open to some interpretation. It's why the text is almost irrelevant - all that matters is what they chose to say and do. The closer that is to the text then the more confident we can be that their beliefs are influenced by the text but they can chose to believe any mumbo jumbo.
I think you are confusing different things there. They can be both sincere but misguided - it's not one or the other.
There isn't one religion that has a 100% clear holy text that isn't open to some interpretation. It's why the text is almost irrelevant - all that matters is what they chose to say and do. The closer that is to the text then the more confident we can be that their beliefs are influenced by the text but they can chose to believe any mumbo jumbo.
100% agree with this. That's exactly my point, I never said they were fake. i would never say this. Anyone striving to be Christian is trying to understand God regardless of if I agree with their method or not. Thus I would never say they are fake. It's not my place. So saying I have said this, is slander. I did not.
In fact, this short text is very much the point ive been trying to make in almost every post I've made in this thread.
dear JD...
You said, "Every other christian would tell you to enjoy hell and say hi to a relative they hate."
you haven't portrayed my thoughts on the matter correctly at all. as a matter of fact, I'm quite sure that every single lady in my prayer group would be offended by your statement as they spend hours and hours praying for absolute strangers, family and friends to come to a place where they can see God's love in sending Jesus. They DON'T miss the point of the gospel.
I can't help but think that the WTBTS vilification of non-JW's has stuck with you. What's that saying?...oh yeah..."the Lord rebuke you!"
love michelle <3
First of all, it's not slander.
Second, if you say a Christian isn't following the bible as you interpret it then it's reasonable to take that as meaning they are not as "real" a Christian as someone that you believe follows your interpretation of it more closely.
There is no definitive Christian or Muslim as far as I am aware, just generally held beliefs by majorities but even then there are lots of disagreements over detail (even within the Catholic Church for example).
@myelaine
i apologize. In my aggravation I let my tongue get ahead of me, it's uncharacteristic of me to make blanket statements like that, I'm sorry.
Second, if you say a Christian isn't following the bible as you interpret it then it's reasonable to take that as meaning they are not as "real" a Christian as someone that you believe follows your interpretation of it more closely.
This potion of your post perfectly encapsulates my annoyance with this thread. I said what I said, and it was TWISTED to mean I think Christians are fake even thoug I never said that. This is how my words, despite not being what it's claimed they were, have been interpreted.
the same has been done to the Quran in this thread. It's actual words are being interpreted to mean something other than what they say. My goal has been to point out that it doesn't say this or that. Just like right now, I'm telling you, I've never said any Christians are fake.
You seem to want to be the authority on what both Christians and Muslims should and shouldn't believe and which writings are the true word of god or not.
Really, whatever any of them claim to be really has more or less basis based on the generally held beliefs of others claiming the same faith. If enough Christians believed that Jesus was a woman then that is the Christian belief regardless of what it says in the bible.
How closely to the holy book the beliefs match the religion is really open to interpretation but it seems Islam in general is closer to the book and a more literal interpretation than most of Christianity is nowadays. That is because Christianity went through it's reformation and took a pen to the bible, crossing out large swathes of it as no longer applicable / just historical narrative.
Very little of Christianity is really unique to the bible and much of the bible is no longer believed or followed anymore. But it's Christianity because that is what the majority of people recognize and claim it to be.
You seem to want to be the authority on what both Christians and Muslims should and shouldn't believe and which writings are the true word of god or not.
But again, this is something I have never claimed, regardless of what may or may not seem to be the case. I never once said this at all, yet you're interpreting what I said to mean it somehow.
this is a further example of what I said above. And I mean this as friendly as possible, but you've all done far more interpreting in this thread than I have because it is continuing to happen with my words which, 'seem' to indicate to you what you want them to so you can lambast me. But I never said it. I never said or even thought abou claiming Christians of any enoki action are fake, or that I am the authority on how they should think and feel. Regarding the latter, I've emphasized the opposite at least three times.
Just like with the words on the pages, the words I actually speak and type aren't the words being read or heard- they are being read into and turned I to something else entirely. Personally, I feel this might just be human nature, but it serves to illustrate my point in the last post I made once again.
That is because Christianity went through it's reformation and took a pen to the bible, crossing out large swathes of it as no longer applicable / just historical narrative.
also if this is meant as an indication that you feel islam should have its own reformation, I completely agree and said so on another page.
I'm just telling you the impression I get from what you posted.
You seem fixated on this "did you say Christians are fake" think. I think you're making too much of it and maybe missed what some people were really telling you.
