JW spies on the JWD (page 3)

stillajwexelder

keep looking guys and keep reading - that is what I would say - the truth stands up to scrutiny - lies do not in the end

Nathan Natas

What do you have to say to all the JWs who under the direction of the Governing Body are lurking and spying on this forum and then give the gathered intel to their masters?

GIVE UP! WE HAVE YOU SURROUNDED!

freedom96

I would like them to consider in their heart how many peoples lives have been destroyed one way or another by the WTS. How Godly or Christlike is that, dear brother??

candidlynuts

if there are spies from headquarters here..i bet they sh*t their pants on DC and gilead notes being posted here!

rebel8

I'd be glad the spies are here. This is probably the only opportunity I have for them to listen to me.

Personally I don't think appealing to them by trying to expose how corrupt or bad many of the people are will prove effective. The organization does an impressive job of convincing the flock how good they largely are, and despite the existence of such ones, there are also good examples that exist. I don't think I'd bring up the UN/NGO issue. Although I consider it quite substantive, I think (despite the clear definitions shown) many adherents may find it easy to rationalize that the WTS never meant what they're being accused of.

Dates? Yes, I'd mention that. Brothers, (yes I call you brothers because it was only months ago that I was one of you--and I believe the chances are strong that you will come to see the real truth about this organization just as I have,) are you really aware of just how many dates the organization has set throughout the past? 1799? 1874? 1918? 1925? 1975? Why don't most Witnesses know about the first four dates mentioned? I know... I used to be good at defending the 1975 issue myself. Here's what I used to say...

"Whomever is giving you your information is in error. Our organization never said the end was coming in 1975. It's true they mentioned that Bible chronology pointed to 1975 as the end of 6000 years of human history--and some apparently took this too far--but this was not the fault of the Watchtower Society. Yes, it's true that more solid dates were set in decades past, but did you know that some in Jesus' day also had incorrect expectations? Notice this scripture in Luke. They said, "Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?" It should come as no surprise that we who are awaiting God's promises of a new heavens and a new earth might, in our zeal, occasionally beome a bit hasty. This is by no means an indication that our organization is a False Prophet. Our organization has NEVER claimed to be a prophet. The Society's first president used to only say that he was simply like 'a finger pointing to the Word of God.'"

Brother, if you've indeed been looking through these message boards with any regularity, you know that many of the organizations representatives gave talks in which they boldly stated, "Stay alive till 75!" My own father left his good job of more than twenty years to move up to a small town where "the need was great." I don't belittle my father; he is a good man who I'm convinced does what he believes to be right. But the consequences on my family were devastating when the job he accepted proved to be less than what he'd been promised--and we lived at poverty level for many years. We made this move in 1974 because of the emphasis placed on 1975. My parents had to spend what little of their savings they had--for as long as it lasted--and that wasn't long. This is not bitterness talking. My perspective of this scenario has only come *after* figuring out that the Watchtower Society is not what it purports to be.

Further, the fact that some of Jesus' disciples would ask a question of him is in no way parallel to dates set and proclaimed by the Watchtower Society. They were asking this question of God's spokesman at the time. Well who have we been taught is God's spokesman today? Never claimed to be a prophet? What about this quote taken directly from the Watchtower of 4/1/72?

"So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? ...This 'prophet' was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses..."

The organization often uses the term "honest-hearted." If you are honest-hearted, you know that they have purported to be God's spokesman. They use the term "revealed truth." If it was revealed, *who* revealed it? Aren't they claiming that God did? And if God revealed it, then how can it be anything other than "inspired?" As a former traveling overseer once wrote...

"The Society doesn't claim to be inspired, but it speaks with the same degree of authority as though it was and is, and they demand that they be taken at face value as though they are inspired, not even permitting people to question, or to have doubts or reservations about anything they teach. Then they beg off from responsibility when something has to be changed or corrected or some prophecy goes unfulfilled."

I urge you to think about this. The Society has created a situation in which they have claimed a type of prophetic office--while exempting themselves from any accountability that should accompany that office.

"20 "'However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. 21 And in case you should say in your heart: "How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?" 22 when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him.'"
2 Chronicles 26:20-22

The Hebrew Scriptures, which the Society so often likes to quote from today, have a much simpler understanding of this matter, don't you think?

Honesty

What do you have to say to all the JWs who under the direction of the Governing Body are lurking and spying on this forum and then give the gathered intel to their masters?

If the WTBTS is right and the Bible is wrong then I will get to sleep for a very long time when I die. However, if the Bible is right and the WTBTS is wrong you guys are in a bit of a pickle at the moment.

Kenneson

Tell them to open up the official Watchtower site to include discussions like on this forum. Here's their opportunity to silence all those apostates. Come on. What are you afraid of?

AK - Jeff

I would say to them that 'real' truth fears no inspection. So inspect what we say for yourselves, with an open mind. Look at the evidence, trust your common sense and decency to see that the matters discussed are real, the witnesses to these matters have a case that would not be lost in a courtroom.

The cumulative time 'in the organization' by those represented here is equal to tens of thousands of years. These people were witnesses like you, dedicated, sincere, and hopeful for the future. We are not the lunatic fringe that apostates are made out to be. The only difference is that we found out the facts. And we threw off the bars that held us in captivity, opened our minds to the reality, and accepted that Jw's are just another religious organization that thinks it is God's chosen vessle. The facts do not support 'the truth'. Logic does not support it. Reason does not support it. Jehovah would surely not support it's chosen course of hypocricy and deceit, nor it's hidden skeletons. Jesus shows no indication in scripture that he would support it's efforts to usurp his position as Mediator.

Think!

Jeff

bother_forever

I cant say anything, just I feel sad for you.

JW spies on the JWD