For questioning and not agreeing on certain changing doctrines you're out. For child molesting, your covered.
The Loving Provision Of Disfellowshipping.
by Englishman 64 Replies latest jw friends
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ESTEE
As if three men I barely knew had the right to make a judgment declaring my spirituality was defective ...
To my way of thinking, that is abusive
As if any of us need that kind of judgmental love --- I'm much better off without that kind of love
Gone dancin'
ESTEE
The best way to predict the future is to create it. ~~ Peter Drucker
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Dragonlady76
When I had my daughter and my mom came to the hospital, they threatened her with action.
What is loving about that?
DL76
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Darth Yhwh
Baptized servants of Jehovah who deliberately follow a wicked course and refuse to change must be viewed as unrepentant and thus unfit for Christian fellowship. (Compare 1 John 2:19.) Such individuals cannot be allowed to remain in the clean Christian congregation and thereby contaminate it. They must be expelled.
The use of 1 John 2:19 is taken out of context in it's use in this paragraph. The apostle John was referring to antichrists in this verse which is a far cry from some of the reasoning used by the "loving" elders as requirements for disfellowshiping.
FairMind summed it up on page one. This is how the WBTS controlls their flock. Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of this battlestation. (oops, I got a little side tracked there).
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orangefatcat
Leolaia you said a mouth full,
2 Corinthians 12:
14 Now I am ready to visit you for the third time, and I will not be a burden to you, because what I want is not your possessions but you. After all, children should not have to save up for their parents, but parents for their children. 15 So I will very gladly spend for you everything I have and expend myself as well. If I love you more, will you love me less? 16 Be that as it may, I have not been a burden to you. Yet, crafty fellow that I am, I caught you by trickery! 17 Did I exploit you through any of the men I sent you? 18 I urged Titus to go to you and I sent our brother with him. Titus did not exploit you, did he? Did we not act in the same spirit and follow the same course?
19 Have you been thinking all along that we have been defending ourselves to you? We have been speaking in the sight of God as those in Christ; and everything we do, dear friends, is for your strengthening. 20 For I am afraid that when I come I may not find you as I want you to be, and you may not find me as you want me to be. I fear that there may be quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, factions, slander, gossip, arrogance and disorder. 21 I am afraid that when I come again my God will humble me before you, and I will be grieved over many who have sinned earlier and have not repented of the impurity, sexual sin and debauchery in which they have indulged
I know now why I refused to attend my disfellowshipping hearing, No way was I going to have the elders put me down and call me dirty and unrepentant. I had seen over the years when I have attended disfellowshippings of friends I cared greatly for berated. and made to look like a terrible sinner. I hated then and still hate it. I wasn't going to be anyones fool. The elders sent me two letter and four messages through my family, they begged me to come to the committee hearing. No way absoultely not.
May I kindly suggest that if any here on JWD aren't disfellowshipped and or you are going to be disfellowshipped, forget it. Just let them do what they must and leave at that. Because no matter what you say it will always remain ingrained in their brains and then they tell their families and then cong. forget it, the agony isn't worth it. Like Eman I too was reproved and it wasn't pretty so no way was I going to allow myself to become their marrionette.
Orangefatcat.
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JT
What I have a problem with is that disfellowshipping or the threat of disfellowshipping is used as a CLUB to enforce obedience to the WTS’ rules and to silence people
bingo-- and of course any reason the service dept can come up with to classify it as dfing or daing offense makes the system so evil
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Gozz
tijkmo,
is lying really a disfellowshipping offence? I know elders who lie like they breathe; heck, the WTS lies all the time. I don't know anyone disfellowshipped for lying.
I routinely talk to DF people; how'll I know they're disfellowshipped when I'm never at the meetings??
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delilah
When I was DF'd as a 20 year old, my family shunned me. A few years later, when one of my parents was DF'd, it was expected of me to continue to talk and associate...."I'm your family". I swallowed my anger, because I never agreed with the DF'g rule and shunning anyways. It didn't matter to me, if friends and family were DF'd, I was still going to talk and associate with them. Then, I was DF'd a second time a few years later, and this time, my parents yet again, shunned me. By this time, my parent was reinstated again.....then my younger sibling DA'd themself, and guess what?? I've never turned my back, and neither have my parents.....What gives???? Two sets of rules, double standards.....it's absolutely ridiculous. There is nothing "LOVING" about disfellowshipping....
Delilah
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Farkel
Many of you have seen me state this before, but I will state it again for those who haven't:
"Jehovah's Witnesses are the only religion who shoot their own wounded."
Farkel
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tijkmo
shoot their own wounded."
thats going in a song