Could we be right, and they be right too?

by JH 62 Replies latest jw friends

  • Wasanelder Once
    Wasanelder Once

    We were taught that God has an exclusive people. It gave our life meaning. Out of the org. we have to find our own meaning. This is the truth. Jehovah's Witnesses is a religion of the dependent. That is the TRUTH. Becoming adrift makes one yearn for the saftey of the collective. Now the only collective is benevolent fellow flotsam we meet on the way and accept as our friends and family. If you still pray and feel a response, and I do now and then, it is likely you will equate that with the "safe" feeling in the "lifeboat" organization. I don't plan on saving the "Titanic" we are on out here in the nonwitness environs, I'm just going to realize its not the "Titanic" as they said, its our home.

    W.Once

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Since it's clear that the bible isn't the word of god, how could a religion that thinks it is the word of god "be right"?

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    Tez made a good point viewed from another angle we can say that the WTS exploits people's disillusionment with this world by offering them something that has the appearance of being much better in order to entice them in. But in this case appearances are deceptive.

  • LouBelle
    LouBelle

    To answer the question : A big RESOUNDING NO!!!! They are the most decieved - this I truly belive.

    I don't think God finds approval with any religion today, but rather looks at the individual, reads the heart, knows the circumstances & remembers that Jesus died and took all sins on himself in order to present us worthy - now this doesn't give you the right to go do every disgusting thing under the sun but you know what I mean and I'm not gonna bore you with details

  • Check_Your_Premises
    Check_Your_Premises

    Could they still be God's organization... sure I guess. My point is that it isn't the job of anybody here on earth to bestow that honour...

    ...least of all the person(s) supposedly receiving such an honor!

    I still never understood how anybody could think it credible that a person(s) comes up with a scriptural proof that just so happens to bestow divine glory on the person(s) who just happen to be presenting the proof.

    Conflict of interest? Impossible to be objective about such a thing?

    Let me try this out.

    I am a sex researcher. I am an expert because I say so. I have determined that it is the deepest desire of every woman to sleep with me. Accept this info, and if you refuse to you will be unhappy and unfulfilled. Get in line ladies. The slave (me) will take care of all who are worthy (hot). If it isn't the greatest experience of your life, it is your fault.

    Does anyone think I might have a slight credibility problem making the above claim?

  • trevor
    trevor

    To me there is some sense to the Question asked by this thread.

    It is good sport to pick on the Jehovah’s Witnesses and I do this myself. But to be honest, I find all religion found wanting, it is just a matter of degree. Every religion has a history of deception and corruption. Most are dripping in blood from the slaughters they carried out in their struggle to be top dog. What Jehovah’s Witnesses say about religion is valid and their short history is very tame compared to the others.

    There are good people in all religions being mislead by their leaders who crave power. Arguing about whether the Jehovah’s Witnesses have accurately explained the Bible seems pointless when the Bible is no more than a tale of mankind’s hopeless ignorance and confusion passed of as inspired truth! Truth is not to be found in any organised religion. James Thomas, who posts here regularly, gently exposes religion and dogma for what it is and shows that truth is a personal matter. It can not be found by looking towards a minor deity made in our image or even his son’s. Last week he said that digging through a cell wall into another prison cell, does not make someone an expert on escapology.

    We have to make direct contact with the reality of life and religion is not required. Until we successfully make that connection we are still ‘at sea.’ The crime of religion is that it distract us from real task at hand.

    Anyway, that’s my rant for the day. I’ll get back in my box now! .

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    I have been thinking that for a long time!

  • urbanized
    urbanized

    I think so many wonderful points have been made here. I think it's a question we want to have a very distinct answer, but how can a matter of faith ever come down to anything other than just that? Oh, but I do enjoy seeing this question voiced and mulled over, as it is one over which I spent many nights and days in agony. For me it comes down to the lack of organized charity of any type. Even if the shunning and the pain and the cover-ups were okay, and the total lack of compassion on the part of most elders when it comes to anybody's real life experiences, and the discouragement of higher education about everything that God created, and the blood and all else, I really don't understand how God's people can refuse to help each other out now and again. I know that many Jehovah's Witnesses regularly give much compassion to OTHER Jw's, but if I had to answer this question, I would judge the charitable works of the JW organization against the charitable works of almost every other organized religion in the entire freaking world. I am so sick of watching them give Watchtowers and Awakes to the homeless people at my bus stop. They think they're doing a good thing, but its really just self promotion. You could say that the lack of good works could be countered by the lack of involvement in crime and genocides that other world religions have taken part in, but one) JW's are a sect of Christianity so there's no avoidance of bloodshed there, and with 6 million non-voters to start with, well, there's really no political power there to begin with, so of course there's nothing going on there.

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    Absolutely not. Even assuming that the Christian God exists, and that the Bible is this God's Word, the JWs violate so many basic Bible principles that it's simply not possible.

    Organizationally, they tell lies, they deliberately hurt people, and they violate prohibitions as are found in Luke 21:8: "Avoid those who, in Christ's name, claim that the end is near."

    AlanF

  • rocketman
    rocketman

    Interesting thread topic and comments. I cannot see how they can be the true religion, for many of the same reasons already mentioned. In addition, they fail by their own criteria. What I mean is that they easily dismiss other religions as untrue often based upon just one or two teachings or practices of the religion. They've often used the logic that 'even just a drop of poison in a glass of water makes the whole glass unfit to drink'. At the very least, they fail miserably by their own criteria.

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