Questions for Jgnat (page 12)

Narkissos

LOL @ Steve...

(I must admit I had to think it over twice until I got how this thread was related to the story...)

Old Soul,
What does any of your diatribe have to do with this thread? Quit 'hijacking the thread'. Some of you just keep ignoring the points that were made. It all boils down to this:
Don't claim to be a Christian if you refuse to follow all of the commands of Christ and deny the very basis (Scripture) for belief in Christ. Why is that point so hard for some of you ex-dubs to admit? We're not talking about sin due to our nature. We are talking about deliberate undermining of His word. If you are not even going to try and 'walk the walk', then don't 'talk the talk'.
Rex

OldSoul

Shining One: We are told to not seek to be a teacher of scripture unless we are called to do so. Remember that there is a heavier responsibility and weightier judgment for those who teach error or 'stumble others'. If you quote scripture in context, the result will be one of two things: acceptance of Christ or offense and denial. Even 'no decision' is ultimately denial. I am sorry that some are offended.

(Romans 2:1-11) Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God.

If you teach error after teaching that others should not, what does that make you?

And that is what my post has to do with the topic. You brought up reading scripture in context in your first post. You failed to apply it in context when criticizing a jest of tetrapod.sapien. Mind you, I only mentioned it because I assumed you had mistakenly done so and would apologize after realizing your error. I suppose I have grossly misjudged you.

If there is no respect of persons with God, does he not know tetrapod.sapien also? Does his love not reach that far as well? Why do you judge in God's place? Just curious. It is not becoming of one who claims to promote the message of Christ to lash out unkindly toward those who do not know. Especially when they freely admit they do not know. God overlooks ignorance. I hope you were ignorant, in this case. Otherwise, you will surely be judged according to your own weights and measures if you do not repent.

I pray that you are not found wanting.

Curiously,
OldSoul

jgnat

Boy, I don't know how much clearer I can be. I don't say that I deny the Scriptures, only that it is wrong to worship them as god, or to believe them infallible. Am I denying the commands of Christ, now? Which ones?

http://www.thewords.com/

Shining One

Forget riding the merry-go-round of discussion with Jgnat....
Rex

jgnat

NOW whose refusing to answer questions?

Shining One

>Boy, I don't know how much clearer I can be. I don't say that I deny the Scriptures, only that it is wrong to worship them as god, or to believe them infallible.

How have I said that we should 'worship scripture as God'?

>Am I denying the commands of Christ, now? Which ones?

Christ said that he came to fulfill the law and the prophets. You have declared scripture to be so unreliable that you can judge what scripture to obey and what to ignore. Therefore, you are denying a basic command of Christ and of scripture THAT HE WROTE AS GOD!

What do you use as a guideline to make YOUR own interpretation of God's word?

Why do you deny the very faith statement of your own church?

Who are you to declare any scripture as unbelievable and unreliable (not infallible)?

Rex

Narkissos

The irony of this (so well captured in The Life of Brian):

The Master is depicted as speaking of his own authority (I say to you). And that's what the most zealous disciples are the least likely to do. Always looking for some external authority structure (scripture, canon, inerrancy, etc.) to "back up" what they should think, believe or say -- and expecting the same thing from others.

Koestler's "shrug of eternity" comes to mind.

OldSoul

Shining One,

Let us take an example from Jesus and see if jgnat deserves your criticism, Shining One.

In Palestine during Jesus' life:

(1) Absolute religious authority and relative legal authority were vested in the Sanhedrin. As God's representatives on earth, they interpretted both the application of Law (which included prior oral tradition) and what constituted religious dogma.

(2) Their stated "doctrine" included all sorts of rules and regulations as well as beliefs that were not in keeping with the original Law given to Moses. Their Law was a living, breathing instrument subject to change.

(3) If someone had a question of Law, therefore, they had to consult a lawyer. The Law was too complex for the laymen to understand.

Now enters Jesus:

(1) Was he a Jew? Yes.

(2) Did he agree with each scintilla of his religion's stated doctrine? Vehemently, no.

(3) Did he disagree only where he felt the doctrine went astray from prior Law? Yes.

If you are intellectually honest, you will apply the same measure to jgnat and discover that she is not playing false to her church by conscientiously taking issue with or diverging from their doctrine where it conflicts with her understanding of Scripture (prior Law). I trust that you will not apply the same measure, because you have proven your intellectual dishonesty to me.

OldSoul

What do you use as a guideline to make YOUR own interpretation of God's word?
Why do you deny the very faith statement of your own church?

Gee, can't you just hear the Pharisees challenging Christ on the exact same thing? It is an easy question to answer, of course. But the Pharisees wouldn't understand the answer. Will you, Shining One? The Answer to these Questions is: John 14:1-6 Do you agree on every single point of doctrine offered by your church, Shining One? Careful that you do not judge another using a standard you do not wish to be judged by. (Romans 2:1-16) OldSoul

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