Watchtower Gives Up Explaining 607 BCE Date!

by VM44 239 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  Finally-Free

  Celebrated WT scholars have provided sufficient information to dispel any concerns raised by the Jonsson hypothesis in the book Gentile Times Reconsidered.

  1. What are the names of these WT "scholars"?
  2. What are their credentials?
  3. In what way have these alleged "scholars" been "celebrated".
  4. Isn't it inappropriate to give undue glory to these alleged "scholars" by "celebrating them"? Shouldn't all "glory" go to Jehover?
  5. Since the information was provided by "celebrated WT scholars" that must mean it did not come from Jehover himself.

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  kid-A

  Heres a transcript from a court appearance by one of the "Celebrated Watchtower Scholars" Freddy Franz. This "Celebrated" numbskull wouldnt have been able to read the sign outside a jewish deli!!!

  Today many Witnesses claimed that Franz was a Rhodes Scholar and a scholar of Hebrew and Greek. The Rhodes Scholarship Trust (Wesleyan University, Middletown, Conn. 06457) stated that Franz was never considered for a Rhodes Scholarship; similarly a Scottish Court of Sessions of Nov. 1954, pp. 102, 103, in which Franz himself testified, made it clear that Franz could not read, speak nor translate the Hebrew language.

  Under oath at a trial in Scotland

  As a Bible scholar Franz would have to know the Hebrew Language. Mr. MacMillan, a former leader of the Jehovah's Witnesses, said, "He is also a scholar of Hebrew ..."(FAITH ON THE MARCH, 1957, p. 182.)

  Mr. Franz, under oath in a trial in Scotland, was asked: (Walsh Trial, P. 7).

  Scottish Court of Sessions in November, 1954.

  (Q): I think you are able to read and follow the Bible in Hebrew ....

  (A). Yes.

  The next day, he was put to the test. Could he really follow the Bible in Hebrew? Franz was asked to translate a simple Bible text at Genesis 2:4:6

  (Q): I think we come to the name Jehovah in the forth verse, don't we, of the second chapter of Genesis ... [page 34]

  (A). Yes.

  (Q): You, yourself, read and speak Hebrew, do you?

  (Remember, Franz had admitted to this the previous day)

  (A): I do not speak Hebrew.

  (The examiner was surprised to hear this)

  (Q): You do not!

  (A). No.

  Q): Can you, yourself, translate that into Hebrew?

  (A): Which?

  (Q): That fourth verse of the second chapter of Genesis?

  (A): You mean here?

  (Q). Yes?

  (A): No, I won't attempt to do that.

  What Franz "wouldn't attempt" to translate into Hebrew is what many have said as a simple exercise an average first or second-year Hebrew student in seminary would be able to do

  . Franz could neither speak Hebrew nor translate the English to Hebrew. The President of the Watchtower allowed Jehovah's Witnesses to believe he is a Bible scholar having an education in Biblical languages. The facts show otherwise. He is not a scholar. In fact, there is not one Bible scholar among the Watchtower leaders. There couldn’t be one in good conscience because of their theology and what they have done in their translation
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  lawrence

  
  KId A-

  Excellent!

  Heres a transcript from a court appearance by one of the "Celebrated Watchtower Scholars" Freddy Franz. This "Celebrated" numbskull wouldnt have been able to read the sign outside a jewish deli!!!

  I too was taught that lie - Rhodes Scholar, scholar of Biblical Languages, memorized texts of the Scriptures, and more, and boy what a shock when I stopped pioneering (peddling their lies) and hit the texts, and made a comparison of what I was teaching Bible Studies and what truly was the case. Especially as the role of prophets. Sad track record, very sad indeed.
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  Reefton Jack

  Kid_A,

  Thanks for that!

  I had of course read of that court case before, but could not recall the exact details.

  For those on this board, and who are interested, it would be possible to access the actual court records of that case - "The Persuers Proof - Walsh vs. the State" from memory.

  While still (trying to be) a loyal Dubbie, I had that flung at me one day while engaging in the "Field Service". There is no denying the obvious, and for me, that was about the final nail in the coffin of swallowing yet more WTS bull~<#t.

  Jack.
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  Hellrider

  WM 44, excellent article. Ha ha, was funny that they were able to find these same messages in Moby Dick too, I got a kick out of that one.

  Lawrence:

  and boy what a shock when I stopped pioneering (peddling their lies) and hit the texts,

  ...bet you wish you had done that sooner, lol. But at least you eventually did it, and what`s more, you were able to do it, you had the intelligence to do it. That`s not the case for all JWs. Very, very few are able to do it, I think. I`m struggling myself, when I try to follow the debates on this forum, where they are discussing greek and hebrew words, grammar, context, etc. Years of JW-ubringing numbs the mind and turns the brain into mash.
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  kid-A

  Jack,

  The whole article is here.

  http://www.letusreason.org/JW39.htm
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  scholar

  Jeffro

  Celebrated WT scholars have investigated chronology since the time of the early Bible Students and have produced a chronology for both the OT and NT that has erved the Lord's people well for decades. The calculation of 607 has a simple methodology based strictly on God;s Word and cannot be overturned because the Bible is faithful and true. Secular chronology prompted by apostates is confusing, complex and unfruitful because it provides no coherent chronology. Such advocates cannot agree on the theinterpretation of the seventy years and the a date for the Fall of Jerusalem.

  The biblical 607 date is based upon solid secular evidence otherwise such a date would not be possible and it is also based on a solid pivotal date. The Jonsson hypothesis is just a criticism with its onject to invalidate our superior chronology and contains too many assumptions to be of any scholarly value which is understandable as its author is not a scholar.

  scholar JW
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  trevor

  Scholar

  Apostate thinking poses no threat to our chronology as its methodology and interpretation demonstrates a loyalty to God's inspired Word.

  You are so luck that you don’t live in New Orleans.

  If you had buried your head in the sand there - you would have drowned.
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  kid-A

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