Can true Christianity have some false prophets and still be true Christians

by booker-t 38 Replies latest jw friends

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  OldSoul

  Narkissos: A question booker-t might ask: suppose the WT is wrong on, say, 1914. Suppose a JW comes to disagree with the current WT stance on 1914. What will happen to him/her? So what lessons have been learnt from past mistakes?

  Excellent point!

  In the case of Peter, did he disfellowhip any who disagreed publicly with his view? Did he claim that it was Jehovah's Word spoken through him as the Channel of Communication (capitalized as an official title and everything)? What about Jonah? Did Nathan cast people off from their family and friends for not believing that David was going to build the temple?

  The impacts of the thing spoken in the case of Witnesses is that it becomes indisputable doctrine, part of "the pattern of heathful teaching" and part of "the truth." Until it changes, publicly arguing against it or challenging it for Biblical grounds will get you disfellowhipped so fast you'll get whiplash.

  Respectfully,
  OldSoul
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  OldSoul

  booker-t,

  I am unfamiliar with the account you are referring to regarding Peter, so I am at a loss for how to go about showing any error in the elder's interpretation. I wish I could help with that one, but it is new to me.

  Respectfully,
  OldSoul
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  JosephMalik

  Can true Christianity have some false prophets and still be true Christians? No! The question implies that membership in a group such as this sanctifies the rest somehow even though some among them are false prophets. The apostles themselves were in this very situation some apostles even teaching falsely and Paul was the foremost in the battle to put a stop to such outrages in the faith. Our Lord warned that He would expel such evil slaves when He returned. And John identified some as antichrist because of such teaching. They may be Christians by their declaration but would not be true Christians or faithful slaves in the sight of our Lord and would not be accepted into His administration. They will be cast out and their salvation would then become dependent as to what they were as human beings and how they treated others. We are individually responsible for what we do or teach and with whom we may fellowship and will be judged individually as stated in chapter Matt 25 and: Re 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Joseph
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  Elsewhere

  So posters out there Can true Christians have false prophets and still be true Christians?

  Ok, so why describe other religions as "false religions"? Maybe they just "make a mistake" sometimes.

  If they are not just making a mistake it would mean that they are all knowingly and intentionally conspiring to deceive the public in a international conspiracy that spans all religions except for JWs.

  Ask those JWs if they believe there is a massive international conspiracy. As them if they think the leadership of all religions, other than JWs, secretly meet together for the sole purpose of producing doctrines that are contrary to what the bible teaches.

  OR

  Are these other religions just imperfect people doing their best just as JWs are imperfect people doing their best? If this is true, then why condemn all other religions as false?
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  RevFrank

  Funny thing is the watchtower always give off false information about the prophets of old. No where in scripture does the true God's prophet any false information. Read 1 Kings 13..a small story if one listens to false prophets.

  Since the JWs obey exactly to Bethel, they think Bethel does no wrong. So when any JW tell you there are false prophets as God guides them, they, themselves become false prophets. Like the story in 1 Kings 13.

  Jonah never gave any false prophecies. Once one says that he did tells me that, that person has no understanding of what God wishes.

  Since the writings of the Torah men of God, the prophets, knew God's wishes and desires. So me a member of Bethel and I'll show you a false prophet.

  While I'm on it, as reading the posts I notice a few mormons repling too, especialy from the Book of Mormon and, the Doctrine and Covenants. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the writings come out of Pearl of Great Price.

  Morons don't believe in Bible Scripture....better yet, they don't trust the Holy Bible...they think they are the only ones who can translate scripture....It amazing..that's what the watchtower says too.
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  M.J.

  check out what the WT said in 1942:

  Those who are convinced that The Watchtower is publishing the opinion or expression of a man should not waste time in looking at it at all... Those who believe that God uses The Watchtower as a means of communicating to his people, or of calling attention to his prophecies, should study The Watchtower..." -- The Watchtower January 1, 1942, page 5

  AND check out what they said in the Awake! on HOW TO FIND A FALSE PROPHET:

  True, there have been those in times past who predicted an 'end of the world,' even announcing a specific date. Some have gathered groups of people with them and fled to the hills or withdrawn into their houses waiting for the end. Yet, nothing happened. The 'end' did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing? Missing was the full measure of evidence required in fulfillment of Bible prophecy. Missing from such people were God's truths and the evidence that he was guiding and using them. (Awake, 1968, page 23)
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  M.J.

  http://www.jwfiles.com/false-prophets.htm
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  OldSoul

  RevFrank,

  I hope you accidentally misspelled mormon there at the end...

  Respectfully,
  OldSoul
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  Legolas

  I don't think there is 'one' true religion!
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  Qcmbr

  Hey REV ..are you talking about me ?
  
  Have you ever read the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants or Pearl of Great Price? Even if you treat them as a fairy tale they still teach pretty neat doctrine. I also lay down the gauntlet rev with a moustache. If your bible interpretation is so plain and easy to follow how come there are thousands of denominations who disagree on basic scriptures?
  
  Baby in a box.