Can true Christianity have some false prophets and still be true Christians

by booker-t 38 Replies latest jw friends

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  tetrapod.sapien

  bathtub.

  bathwater.

  baby.

  TS
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  Qcmbr

  ..my baby just learnt to walk. She is so squidgy and cute hehe.
  
  Sorry , absolutely nowt to do with this thread but TP was talking about babies and bathtubs.
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  Joel Wideman

  Qcmbr: If your bible interpretation is so plain and easy to follow how come there are thousands of denominations who disagree on basic scriptures?
  There are two reasons. One is that they do not differ on essential doctrines - that which make them Christian - but only on the nonessential ones. The Bible _allows_ us to disagree on these nonessential points. The "denominations" that disagree with essential Christian doctrine cannot be Christian. I'll leave finding these essential doctrines as an excersize for the reader, lest someone get the impression that I'm attacking their own faith. :D
  The other explanation is human failure. But our salvation or damnation does not depend on our differences, but on our relationship with Christ.
  I find it amusing that you'd use a Catholic anti-Protestant argument. I find it equally amusing that the same argument can be applied to Mormonism, of which the LDS Church is only one denomination. (The argument also applies to Catholocism, of course.)
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  Qcmbr

  It can definately be applied to the LDS - we are no more (and arguably a lot less) than any other well meaning bunch of christians IF JSmith was lying - but I was referring to the REVs reference to the LDS scriptures and our suggested lack of trust in the bible.
  
  I'm going to prove the REV right here and quote just a bit about what the Book Of Mormon says about the bible. I think its interesting despite no one believing the BOM.
  
  3 And because my words shall hiss forth—many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible.
  
  4 But thus saith the Lord God: O fools, they shall have a Bible; and it shall proceed forth from the Jews, mine ancient covenant people. And what thank they the Jews for the Bible which they receive from them? Yea, what do the Gentiles mean? Do they remember the travails, and the labors, and the pains of the Jews, and their diligence unto me, in bringing forth salvation unto the Gentiles?
  
  5 O ye Gentiles, have ye remembered the Jews, mine ancient covenant people? Nay; but ye have cursed them, and have hated them, and have not sought to recover them. But behold, I will return all these things upon your own heads; for I the Lord have not forgotten my people.
  
  6 Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews?
  
  7 Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth?
  
  8 Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two nations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also.
  
  9 And I do this that I may prove unto many that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever.
  
  10 Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written.
  
  11 For I command all men, both in the east and in the west, and in the north, and in the south, and in the islands of the sea, that they shall write the words which I speak unto them; for out of the books which shall be written I will judge the world, every man according to their works, according to that which is written.
  
  12 For behold, I shall speak unto the Jews and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the Nephites and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the other tribes of the house of Israel, which I have led away, and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto all nations of the earth and they shall write it.
  
  13 And it shall come to pass that the Jews shall have the words of the Nephites, and the Nephites shall have the words of the Jews; and the Nephites and the Jews shall have the words of the lost tribes of Israel; and the lost tribes of Israel shall have the words of the Nephites and the Jews.
  
  14 And it shall come to pass that my people, which are of the house of Israel, shall be gathered home unto the lands of their possessions; and my word also shall be gathered in one. And I will show unto them that fight against my word and against my people, who are of the house of Israel, that I am God, and that I covenanted with Abraham that I would remember his seed forever.
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  TD

  
  

  Hi Qcmbr

  3 And because my words shall hiss forth—many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible.

  Isn't that passage (2 Ne 29) anachronistic? Or do members of the LDS faith consider a reference to a "Bible" long before such a thing existed prophetic?

  And by this I mean the use of the word itself. --Applying the word "Bible" to the the sacred writings.
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  Qcmbr

  prophetic
  
  :)
  
  The family in the BOM who fled Jerusalem carried with them a large number of records (some of old testament ) bound into a brass book format as well which also fits the meaning of the word bible.
  
  Dave of the off to bed yawny class
  
  Heck I sound just like a JW
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  TD

  Heck I sound just like a JW

  LOL I was just thinking that.

  The word here is Greek. This was a foreign language to the Jews prior to the conquest of the Holy Land by Alexander the Great.

  You would have the same problem if for example, the word like "synagogue" appeared in the BOM.
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  Mary

  True, there have been those in times past who predicted an 'end of the world,' even announcing a specific date. Some have gathered groups of people with them and fled to the hills or withdrawn into their houses waiting for the end. Yet, nothing happened. The 'end' did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing? Missing was the full measure of evidence required in fulfillment of Bible prophecy. Missing from such people were God's truths and the evidence that he was guiding and using them. (Awake, 1968, page 23)

  Thanks for quoting that M.J. I was looking for it and strangely enough on the WT's 2004 CD-ROM, the Awakes only go back to 1970!!! Hmmmmm...........I can't imagine why that would be. The Watchtowers go back to 1950..........unbelievable that they even had the balls to write this in 1968 after the failed prophecies of 1914 and 1925...........
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  OldSoul

  Mary,

  w61 10/1 p. 591 Prophesying with the Loyal Organization

  This article is amazing. It equates "false prophesying" to speaking against the prophesies of the Organization. Recommendation? Disfellowhipping, of course.

  OldSoul