Posts by WuzLovesDubs

I am thrilled for this fun lady! Her dream fulfilled...the crowd loving her....she giving her gift to us all after hiding it under a bushel all these years. Yep...we will be hearing from her again!

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Why exactly, DO the JWs continue to beat on doors? What is the POINT?

by WuzLovesDubs in

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i mean...it accomplishes nothing save making them pests all over the planet.

they dont get money from it, not enough to make any damn difference anyway...the magazines are limited to only two a month and they dont do subscriptions any more.

how many people actually are brought in this way?

WuzLovesDubs

The Bible cannot be applied literally to today...period. Or we would be still putting women in secluded tents until their periods are over, not eating pork, stoning people in public...

Do you think for a NANOSECOND if Jesus appeared today on earth instead of 2000 years ago, that the man WOULDNT use all the modern methods of communications available to him today? That he WOULDNT stand behind a microphone and be SKyped all over the planet and be on CNN? When NO OTHER METHODS OF COMMUNICATIONS WERE AVAILABLE in his day...he used what he had. He went out onto WATER to talk to masses on the shore. He stood on the tops of HILLS to talk down to people on the sides there. He stood on the temple STEPS and preached because THOSE were the ways he had to talk to as many as he could at one time.

And he SOLD NO MAGAZINES OR LAMO SELF SERVING PUBLICATIONS in the process. Also once a person CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY he didnt CONTINUE TO GO TO THAT PERSON saying they WERENT SAVED until they did and said EXACTLY what HE did and said or God wouldnt love them.

And THATS what the JWs do....it doesnt matter if a person is a Christian...the JW will say "but you arent a JW so your 'faith' is in Satan and you will be destroyed, Mother Teresa."

The JWs door to door work, and they are NOT the only ones who do this, is as useless as their ability to predict Armageddon.

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Sales of Bethel premises and transfer of millions to Brooklyn ?

by Nick! in

sales of bethel premises and transfer of millions to brooklyn ?.

just heard a very surprising and unbelievable news which i want to share with you and ask whoever has the right connections higher up in the borg, if this kind of news can be double checked for reliability.. .

the source of the information is believed to be reliable as it seems to be intimately related to some officials of the branch.

WuzLovesDubs

It seems to me this borganization is rapidly becoming less and less "spirit directed" and more and more "greenback" directed, headed by skunks, snakes and slimeballs with degrees in law and accounting who probably wouldn't know what the initials N W T even stand for.

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Why exactly, DO the JWs continue to beat on doors? What is the POINT?

by WuzLovesDubs in

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friends

i mean...it accomplishes nothing save making them pests all over the planet.

they dont get money from it, not enough to make any damn difference anyway...the magazines are limited to only two a month and they dont do subscriptions any more.

how many people actually are brought in this way?

WuzLovesDubs

Just because they ALWAYS have? I mean...it accomplishes NOTHING save making them pests all over the planet. They dont get money from it, not enough to make any damn difference anyway...the magazines are limited to only two a month and they dont do subscriptions any more.

How many people actually are brought in this way? Now it has become just bondage and control over the masses. Forced slavery.

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Finally moved out and HAPPY!!

by WuzLovesDubs in

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i have been away from the board awhile because i have been finding a new place for me and my two youngest kids to go, and found a wonderful 3/3 townhome in a nice neighborhood, close to their schools and our work...and we moved in last week.

its like a pall has been lifted!

its so wonderfully peaceful and comfy here and my kids have relaxed.

WuzLovesDubs

I have been away from the board awhile because I have been finding a new place for me and my two youngest kids to go, and found a WONDERFUL 3/3 townhome in a nice neighborhood, close to their schools and our work...and we moved in last week. Its like a pall has been lifted! Its so wonderfully peaceful and comfy here and my kids have relaxed. Its sooooo nice. I had a moment of heartache. He helped us move and was very cooperative with the whole effort. His JW sister and brother in law and their FIVE kids will be moving in with my not yet ex to help him pay the mortgage and maybe finish the house. It wouldnt surprise me if some day down the road they bought it from us.

The night we finished moving in, I drove him back to the house and it was uncomfortable. He was silent. When we got home I had to pick up a couple more things and we went inside. He was running around moving things..boxes and stuff...and I was going to leave and said "Im going...so can you give me a hug?" And he moved a couple more things and finally came over to me and hugged me and gave me a kiss. And it felt genuine...and I said I was sorry things had gone badly and that I would always love him. He just stood there silent. I backed up and said..."what...are you saying you dont love me any more?" And he just gave me this weird half a smile and said nothing. It was devastating. We never disliked each other we just couldnt live together any more. I guess it was too much to expect that he would still love me, but whoa...I sure didnt see that coming. I guess he needs to protect himself and its easier if he doesnt love me now that I have left and the kids chose to leave with me. It hurt soooooo much. But it gave a ring of finality to the marriage. I was kinda hoping that because I was just getting a separation and not a divorce at this point that maybe we could work it out in a year. His expression seem to slam the door on any hope of that happening.

So after a very rough first night away from the home we have known for 10 years and the marriage I have known for 22 years....we are settling in. He has called me and written to me, and said he would not shun me "because Im not like that" but he shuns his mom so....I was thinking maybe he was required to stop saying he loved me any more because I no longer live there. He is going to meetings again and dealing with his rabid JW sister so who knows what pressure he is under to "comply"

The JW "rules" about dealing with a DFd or DAd person even if by marriage, who no longer lives in the house, is to not have contact except for IMPORTANT family matters. So only time will tell. I have made sure he understands that he is ALWAYS welcomed in our home. As far as I am concerned he and I are inextricably family forever, and he was and still is my husband for HALF of his life.

So Im going to go sit out on the sunny patio with my kitties and get some sun before I go to work today...thanks for all your support all these years.

love, LD

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Who here has just let the JW stuff go?. I NEED HELP GUYS!!!!!!!.................

by oompa in

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....i am so frikkin obsessed about the jw lies and my newfound truths about them, and it is prob driving me crazy or causing depression.....if i wake up in the middle of the night, i never get back to sleep as my mind starts racing about jw crap and how it affects my marriage, and then how can i make this marriage work with her such a hardcore dub....i told my wife i now realize i am an abusive husband.....i must stop talking to her about the real truth!!

!..........it is killing her inside and we have had soooo many bad discussions that turn into arguments......on top of that she says she is now closer to jah and the org than at any other time in her life, that now that she has no positive direction from me, she relies totally on jehovah and prays to him more than ever..... we talked about separation, and that i was going to lose her over our religious differences........i feel so sorry for what i have put her through, and i know that if i can not really shut up with my ohsohelpful comments of truths about this truth she will leave me due to "spiritual endangerment".......and she said she is damm close to that happening.....i told her i knew it to and would so hate to lose her due to our religious differences.

at my recent shepherding call, they said to try and stop focusing on the negatives i have found in jw, and focus on the good things...and that is not a bad idea even if i never go back to meetings....there are good things about dubs....the efforts at ending racism and at least for me, some really good lifelong friends.......even their hope for the future was pretty good to me, even though it is a bunch of crap and i no longer believe the bible is gods word or inspired.....it does have some good suggestions for a happy life and ideas as to how to treat others........but so do just about every holy book of other faiths........ i had plans to start going to some meetings with my wife, but today, after a sleepless night i told her i just dont think i can do it, and just as she strongly believes it is the truth, i do not, and that i think the guys on the gb are not led by holy spirit cause if she will read the proclaimers book, she will see we have never gotten a single bible inerpretation of prophecy correct.......so she says "so what is there?

WuzLovesDubs

Wow oomps... I know you dont know me particularly, but I was in the JWs for 13 years and I met and married my JW husband in year 3 and had our first child in year 4. I was mentally heading out the door already but was kept there by what I knew would be the destruction of my new family, and shunning by everyone I knew then. So I waited....and waited...until year 13 when I couldnt stand it any more. By then I had three kids and the discord in my soul became too loud to ignore. I knew clearly what the repercussions of my DAing myself would be, but my children were not baptized and I still had time to save THEM from becoming consumed by this cult and for that reason I was willing to do whatever was necessary in terms of sacrifice.

My JW husband was furious with me when I said I was DAing but he knew I had read Crisis and I had read some of that TO him in spite of him trying to avoid hearing it, and I was positively RABID about the lies I had been force fed for all that time. And I was angry as a trapped hornet at having "wasted" the best years of my life on the lie. But I loved my husband, and I would die for my kids and so I knew I needed to get the kids the hell out of that cult for them to have any kind of normal thriving life at all.

My husband cried and withdrew and said that since I had "left Jehovah" I was not going to be in paradise with him and that I had made a VOW to be faithful to Him. No amount of cajoling or logic could make him see that leaving the cult was not the same as leaving God and that the two were not the same entity. You see it...I see it...but they dont and wont until their hearts are open to it. He was as defensive as I was offensive in the arguments. He didnt have anything to come back at me with except stuff I already knew inside and out and in fact I knew MORE about his beliefs than he did. He couldnt counter what I was saying AGAINST the organization because they arent allowed to read or hear any of that negative stuff. So we struggled a loooong time, until one day I literally took my children to my non JW sister in laws home to get them away from him and stood OVER them and between he and them, and said no more...you are not taking our children to cult meetings any more and if you try to take them one of us is going to end up in the hospital. That was 2002. He stopped going himself as well. We live two blocks from the hall and he has been there maybe 10 times since. He was only going so he could take the kids to hurt ME and without them his reason for going disappeared. He sure as hell wasnt going for HIMSELF. And he never read any literature, never picked up any mags or studied or went in service...he was a JW when it was convenient, like on holidays or when he met one face to face. His hypocrisy is something HE has to live with but it did not go unnoticed by the kids.

In order to survive as a family, he and I had to agree to disagree on the JW thing. Where the kids were concerned, I made it clear that as their mother, HIS belief system was NOT more important or more "true" or more "accepted by God" than mine was and I WAS going to be telling and showing them my own beliefs even though I didnt have any meetings to drag them to. He of course believed that the children leaned towards my side of the equation because we were now doing holidays and birthdays and I was "bribing" them. I said "well you are the ones who are always saying you "give gifts all year long" and I havent seen ONE from you so thats no excuse at all. The fact remains that our kids see clearly how YOUR FAMILY is now SHUNNING MOMMY and the "friends" at the Kingdom Hall are telling them that their mommy is "with Satan now and will be destroyed at Armageddon. Nice huh? You think I wouldnt have anything to SAY about people doing that to my children? Nothing to SAY about how your entire family, including THEIR cousins, now SHUN mommy for no other reason other than we dont attend the same church?" His reply was..."YOU left Jehovah! What did you EXPECT would happen?? You have no one to blame but YOURSELF for how people treat you!" Rubber stamping...thats all they have.

Yeah...it was ugly. But we didnt marry each other only because we were both JWs and anyone who marries for that reason is doomed to fail.

When the rancor stopped...we talked openly about our love for each other and if we WANTED to continue to be together and we did, but there had to be some lines drawn in the sand. And we managed to make it from that time in 1997 til now because religion was taken off the table in our house. The kids saw clearly that they didnt want to be a part of this cult and eventually all decided to stop going to ANY meetings and that includes the Memorial. Even now, as he and I are getting a separation for a myriad of other reasons of irreconcilable differences, we still love each other but can no longer exist under the same roof. His way of dealing with his depression now is to run back to the meetings. He still thinks that meeting attendances has some magical healing power. He thinks his JW sister and her five kids are gonna move into this house to help pay the mortgage...but I guarantee he will be MORE miserable because NOT going to the meetings will no longer be an option to him as she and hers are rabid JWs.

On the other hand, my EXJW mother in law who was a JW for 20 years, raised her kids in it, lost her first husband because of it, then remarried a JW elder...and tried 7 years late to leave the Borg in 99. She DAd and her JW husband immediately labeled her as a spiritual endangerment and left her. She was consumed with guilt and the sorrow of losing her husband, and two JW children and grandchildren who shunned her...went back and groveled and sucked it up for a year in 02 and was reinstated in 03. But she knew too much. And her JW husband returned to her but began to make her life a living hell with his sarcasm and smirking "you cant do a damn thing about it" attitude and his disrespect for her...and his new found alliance with her adult JW children AGAINST her now...and so she DAd again in 05. She has a Downs daughter who is 35 and living with her and damned if the JW hsuband doesnt sneak that girl out to meetings against her mothers wishes and even now when faced with a court order to STOP doing so, continues to do so, telling this retarded girl that Jehovah wants her at the meetings so she can be made perfect in the New System! And so making her own mother the enemy in her life. My mother in law is divorcing him now...sent her daughter to live with her father until the JW is OUT of the house so he cant endanger her further. And she realizes she will never get back her lost JW children and grandchildren as long as the cult shuns us. But she has to get them out of her life as much as possible to survive. Even if that means a divorce, a court order against her EX and selling and moving away.

So having said all that oomps...it can be done that you can survive the marriage but that 500 pound gorilla will ALWAYS be sitting in the living room. Every time you feel the urge to PURGE on your wife, walk out. Take a walk, take a drive... but dont live a lie either. Dont pretend to believe to keep the peace or it will eat you alive and your son may misinterpret your silence as acceptance of their beliefs and may become one too.

Im moving out but I honestly think my husband and I might be able to be more civil to each other now than we were in our marriage and we will ALWAYS be the parents of our children. I wish you luck and love my friend...we DO know how tough it is.

LD

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If JWs would stop shunning - how many do you think would disappear

by Albert Einstein in

if jws would stop shunning - how many do you think would disappear from meetings in 1 year?.

my guess: 30%.

albert.

WuzLovesDubs

The ONLY reason it took me 10 years to leave was the shunning. Im quite sure if that sanction was lifted there would be a mass exodus. Even if they changed it to a "conscience matter" and didnt totally reverse it. Same with the blood issue...if there were no sanctions, people wouldnt hesitate to give life saving blood to their loved ones. In a NANO second they would.

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High speed internet...need advice you guys

by WuzLovesDubs in

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im moving into my own place come april 1 (yay!!!!

) and in this house we pay over $100 a month between comcast tv cable and high speed internet.

what do you guys use?

WuzLovesDubs

It's costing me here, $103 a month for BASIC cable TV and internet. I feel like they have us by the short hairs here. Vios isnt available here and apparently from what I read online about it Naked DSL isnt offered except at very high prices so that you are basically forced to take the bundled stuff. Im looking at Movearoo which compares current offers in your neighborhood. I dont need a landline but if its only a buck to get internet I guess I will have to take it.