Grandma is going to die today! grandma doesnt die. Grandma is going to die today! Grandma continues not to die. Grandma is going to die today! And grandma does indeed die.
SEE!! IM A PROPHET!! I TOLD YOU GRANDMA WAS GOING TO DIE TODAY AND SHE DID!!
WuzLovesDubs
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Are You Paul or are you Saul?
by reniaa inthis was the same man at different times in his life yet he changed his name because he completely changed his ideals and goals too.
both were extremely zealous, both thought they were doing gods work, both thought they were working for the greater good.. acts 8:3 (new international version)3but saul began to destroy the church.
going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.. soul thought gods work was to destroy the christians but paul.... acts 20: 19i served the lord with great humility and with tears, although i was severely tested by the plots of the jews.
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Questions for JW's
by UnDisfellowshipped inquestions for reniaa and jw's to think about:.
1:) can you explain, using only the bible, why we should believe that today's governing body of jehovah's witnesses is the sole channel of communication between god and mankind?.
2:) can you explain, using only the bible, why we should believe that daniel's prophecy about king nebuchadnezzar's 7 years of insanity has a secondary meaning, and why we should believe that this secondary meaning is pointing toward jesus becoming king in 1914?.
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WuzLovesDubs
Dont hold your breath while you wait honey.
(cricket sounds ensue)
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I wonder if they thought the big A had come in Brooklyn?
by Mickey mouse inhttp://www.nypost.com/seven/06212009/news/regionalnews/brooklyn/ft__greene_building_collapse_175396.htm.
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=6837680.
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WuzLovesDubs
after 9/11 that aint no thing
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Jehovah's Witnesses Accepting Blood Transfusion
by Lee Elder injehovah's witnesses accepting blood transfusion.
jehovah's witnesses have always been divided over watchtower's blood doctrine.
from the very beginning when the religion first began teaching against transfusion, witnesses have objected.
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WuzLovesDubs
Leeeeeee!! Gosh Bro! Its been ages since I saw your name!~ So wonderful to see you! Been following your campaign since its inception. Thanks for the link!
Wuz aka LovesMeNot from AOL aka Lovingsurrender
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Candy To A Jehovahs Witness: Anti - Depressants.
by shamus100 inand why do people go on anti-depressants?
why do most people get depressed?.
most people get depressed because something is wrong in theyre lives.
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WuzLovesDubs
geez shamus....
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Candy To A Jehovahs Witness: Anti - Depressants.
by shamus100 inand why do people go on anti-depressants?
why do most people get depressed?.
most people get depressed because something is wrong in theyre lives.
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WuzLovesDubs
Religion is neither a race nor an ethnicity Ren.
Being in a controlling cult that threatens to take your family and loved ones away from you and OSTRACIZE YOU if you dare to question or leave, CAUSES DEPRESSION.
There were so many JWs on medication, both prescribed and self prescribed homeopathic stuff, to try to FIX the gaping holes in their hearts, and to try to deaden their sorrow and feelings that they are wasting their lives as JWs and are TRAPPED, that if you werent on some kind of medication then you were lying about it or you were just crazy and clueless anyway. Even the PO was an alcoholic. How joyful was HIS life that he had to get shit faced before he could bring himself to go to meetings?
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When Does It End?
by Little Girl Lost indoes anyone know frome experience ... when does it end?.
the shunning.. after you have been reinstated and you think you are back to square 1 ... then it all goes south.. it's like you were still df'd.
don't post "what did i expect" sort of thing.
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Welcome LGL. Its a tough unloving road. I didnt try to get reinstated, I just stayed gone and that was my choice. But its never the same again once you go back, like the trust is gone. You might as well be wearing a scarlet letter you know? My mother in law DAd in 1999. She missed her friends and went back after a year of groveling and humiliation and being treated like a criminal...and was finally reinstated in 2002. However her friends did NOT receive her back with open arms ( so much for the prodigal son) and she was NOT accepted back with love. Nobody trusted her any more and they were cordial and cold to her. She left again in 2005 because she couldnt stand it any more.
So if you are trying to go back...if thats what you want...I wish you well with it. But you are dealing with incredibly self righteous judgemental hypocritical people.
We are EXJWs on this board...for the most part. And whatever you have been through someone here has too. So we would love to hear your story.
hugs, LD
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...Jehovah`s Witness Kids don`t miss Celebrating Birthdays,Christmas..ect..ect!!....
by OUTLAW injehovah`s witness kids don`t miss celebrating birthdays,christmas..ect..ect..!
!......................thats what jehovah`s witness parents,tell the outside world..my parents did.......the fact is..i did want to have a birthday party..i did want to get toys at christmas..i did want a tree with all the lights..i did want to go to the school christmas party..i did want to hunt for chocolate eggs at easter................tell that to your jw parents and you`ll get an ass-whopp`n..........i told my aunt i loved christmas,she always got me something...my aunt told my mom.....mom was not happy.......i did`nt support the jehovah`s witness lie....i paid the price..............when you were a jehovah`s witness kid,did you want to participate in celebrations?
...outlaw.
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WuzLovesDubs
I was a Methodist until I got sucked into the JWs at age 30. And while I was always walking the walk and talking the talk I was MISERABLE not doing the holidays and ANY celebrations. I loved Memorial Day growing up, picnics and company and parades! I LOVED the 4th of July with barbeques and company over, playing badminton and eating all day and going to the fireworks! I LOVED Halloween and handing out candy and trick or treating! I LOVED Thanksgiving at my gramma's house with the smells and cousins to play with and beautiful nummy pies and watching football and the smell of my uncles cherry pipe tobacco. I adored Christmas and watching my mom decorate the tree after my dad got a fresh one and put the lights on for us. And waking up Christmas morning to mounds of pretty packages....Im telling ya what...to put all that aside for the sake of this...THING I had gotten myself into...ripped a hole in my heart. For 13 years I would go into a depression from Oct 30 to Jan 3rd.
When I left the JWs in Jan 97, when my kids were 8, 6 and 2...I jumped back into celebrating LIFE like there was no tomorrow and my JW husband, though he hated Christmas, did not try to stop me because he knew it was futile. My kids immediately were invited to birthday parties and began doing the holidays and drawing valentines and gave me hand made presents for mothers day. They joined all the sports and dance classes that they wanted so badly to do...and they have THRIVED and BLOSSOMED over the years.
The JWs always TOLD outsiders that they GAVE to their kids "all year long" but the reality was entirely different. All you have to do is read the Child Custody booklet they wrote wherein they tell kids to LIE in court about their participation in activities in order to not appear to be religious fanatics to the judge. If you have to LIE about it...then perhaps the truth is you DONT allow your JW kids to LIVE THEIR LIVES.
So busy are the JWs NOT living the only life God gave them...waiting on Armageddon that wont be coming ever...that they waste both their lives and the lives of their children.
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NEED HELP: ARTICLES ABOUT JWS VS SHRINKS
by WuzLovesDubs ini need quotes from articles they have written about how much they hate and distrust shrinks and how they believe shrinks are trying to blame jws depression on their religions.. i know you guys got the goods...my husband and i are in family therapy with a counselor and i believe he is blowing smoke up her ass, telling her what he thinks she wants to hear to get the hell out of there.
i want to show her that she cannot believe everything he says and that the jws as they are in court, are disingenuous and liars in front of psychiatrists.. thanks.. .
ps he announced to her in front of our son, that not only doesnt he love me now but he never loved me...that he said to me while we were courting what he thought i wanted to hear.
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Questions (Watchtower 1996)
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FromReadersitbewiseforaChristiantoconsultamental-healthpractitioner?Reports from some lands indicate that there has been an increase in emotional and mental illnesses in these "last days." (2 Timothy 3:1) Christians feel deep compassion when fellow believers are affected, but they recognize that each one must decide for himself whether to seek treatment for his illness and, if so, what kind of treatment. "Each one will carry his own load." (Galatians 6:5) Some, suffering severely from schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, deep clinical depression, obsessive-compulsive disorder, self-mutilation, and other distressing disorders, have been able to live fairly normal lives after obtaining the right professional help.
In some places it has become quite fashionable to seek therapy. In many cases the patient does not have a severe mental disorder but has difficulty coping with some situation in life. However, it is the Bible that gives the most effective help in handling the difficult problems of life. (Psalm 119:28, 143) Through the Bible, Jehovah supplies wisdom, thinking ability, and true knowledge—things that fortify us mentally and emotionally. (Proverbs 2:1-11; Hebrews 13:6) Faithful servants of God may express themselves irrationally at times because of severe inner turmoil. (Job 6:2, 3) James 5:13-16 encourages such ones to call on the elders for help and counsel. A Christian may be spiritually sick, or he may be distressed by an unchangeable circumstance or by oppressive stresses, or he may feel that he is the victim of injustice. (Ecclesiastes 7:7; Isaiah 32:2; 2 Corinthians 12:7-10) Such a person can find help with the elders, who will ‘grease him with oil’—that is, skillfully impart comforting Bible counsel—and also "pray over him." The result? "The prayer of faith will make the indisposed one well, and Jehovah will raise him up [out of his despondency or his feeling of being abandoned by God]."
What, though, if a person’s mental distress and confusion persist despite the skillful help of spiritual shepherds? Some in this situation have chosen to undergo a thorough physical examination. (Compare Proverbs 14:30; 16:24; 1 Corinthians 12:26.) A physical problem may lie behind emotional or mental distress. Treating such a problem has in some cases given relief to the emotionally ill person. If no physical problem is found, the physician, upon request, may recommend a mental-health professional. What then? As stated, this is a decision each individual must weigh for himself. Others should not criticize or judge.—Romans 14:4.
Nevertheless, practical wisdom must be exercised and care taken not to forget Bible principles. (Proverbs 3:21; Ecclesiastes 12:13) In the case of physical sickness, patients are faced with a variety of treatment choices, from orthodox medicine to therapies such as naturopathy, acupuncture, and homeopathy. There are also different kinds of mental-health practitioners. Among them are analytic psychotherapists and others, who may delve into the patient’s personal history to try to find reasons for irregular behavior or painful emotions. Behavioral psychotherapists may try to help the patient learn new behavior patterns. Some mental-health practitioners believe that most mental illnesses should be treated with drugs. Reportedly, others recommend diet and vitamins.
Patients and their families should use caution when considering these choices. (Proverbs 14:15) Significantly, Professor Paul McHugh, director of the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, said that the mental-health profession "is a rudimentary medical art. It lacks easy access to proof of its proposals even as it deals with disorders of the most complex features of human life—mind and behavior." This situation leaves the door open to eccentricity and fraud, as well as well-intentioned treatments that may do more harm than good.
It should be mentioned, too, that while psychiatrists and psychologists have professional, postgraduate degrees, many others with no professional qualifications practice without supervision as counselors or therapists. Some individuals have spent a lot of money consulting such unqualified people.
Even with a trained, qualified mental-health professional, there are things to consider. When choosing a medical doctor or surgeon, we have to be sure that he will respect our Bible-based views. Similarly, it would be dangerous to consult a mental-health professional who does not respect our religious and moral views. Many Christians are striving hard, despite mental and emotional confusion, to have "the same mental attitude that Christ Jesus had." (Romans 15:5) Such are rightly concerned about the attitudes of anyone who might affect their thinking or behavior. Some practitioners view any restrictions imposed by Scriptural beliefs as unnecessary and potentially harmful to mental health. They may approve, even recommend, practices condemned in the Bible, such as homosexuality or marital infidelity.
These ideas are included in what the apostle Paul called "the contradictions of the falsely called ‘knowledge.’" (1 Timothy 6:20) They contradict the truth about the Christ and are part of "the philosophy and empty deception" of this world. (Colossians 2:8) The Bible’s touchstone is clear: "There is no wisdom, nor any discernment, nor any counsel in opposition to Jehovah." (Proverbs 21:30) Mental-health practitioners who say "good is bad and bad is good" are "bad associations." Far from helping to heal unstable minds, they will "spoil useful habits."—Isaiah 5:20; 1 Corinthians 15:33.
So a Christian who feels that it is necessary to consult a mental-health professional should scrutinize the qualifications, attitude, and reputation of the practitioner and the possible effect of any treatment recommended. If a distressed Christian cannot do this himself, perhaps a mature, close friend or relative may be able to help. A Christian who is uncertain as to the wisdom of a particular treatment may find that talking with the elders in the congregation is helpful—although the final decision is his own (or his parents’, or the joint decision of husband and wife).
Science can do much more today than in times past to alleviate suffering. Still, there are many diseases—both physical and mental—that at present are incurable and have to be endured through this system of things. (James 5:11) In the meantime "the faithful and discreet slave," the elders, and all others in the congregation reach out a hand of compassion and support to sick ones. And Jehovah himself strengthens them to endure until that glorious time when sickness will be no more.—Matthew 24:45; Psalm 41:1-3; Isaiah 33:24.
[Footnotes]
Sometimes an individual may be asked to undergo a psychiatric evaluation, perhaps when being considered for high-level employment. Whether one submits to such an evaluation or not is a personal decision, but it should be noted that a psychiatric evaluation is not psychiatric treatment.
See "Winning the Battle Against Depression," in the March 1, 1990, issue of TheWatchtower.
Some mental illnesses seem to respond well to the correct medications. But these medications must be used with caution under the guidance of skilled and experienced medical physicians or psychiatrists, since there can be severe side effects if dosages are not correctly adjusted.
See the article "Mental Distress—When It Afflicts a Christian" in the October 15, 1988, issue of TheWatchtower.
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NEED HELP: ARTICLES ABOUT JWS VS SHRINKS
by WuzLovesDubs ini need quotes from articles they have written about how much they hate and distrust shrinks and how they believe shrinks are trying to blame jws depression on their religions.. i know you guys got the goods...my husband and i are in family therapy with a counselor and i believe he is blowing smoke up her ass, telling her what he thinks she wants to hear to get the hell out of there.
i want to show her that she cannot believe everything he says and that the jws as they are in court, are disingenuous and liars in front of psychiatrists.. thanks.. .
ps he announced to her in front of our son, that not only doesnt he love me now but he never loved me...that he said to me while we were courting what he thought i wanted to hear.
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WuzLovesDubs
Mary I love you :) Thank you!
I know I HEARD the admonition many times as a JW that if you are depressed you just need to go out in service more, go to meetings more, study more...that it is self induced and therefore self cured if you would just become a better JW! I was surrounded by a sea of friends seeking homeopathic remedies for their head, muscle ache and blood disorders which they themselves diagnosed and "cured" using various combinations of NATURAL or organic pills and potions...to no avail. All the while telling me that psychiatrists were evil and because they were worldly would seek to convince the JW that their religion was the cause of their depression, and every JW worth their salt knows that Jehovahs People Are Happy People and so to be unhappy must inherently be a failure on their part. And around and around they went until they lost their minds, souls, and marriages...completely.
Perhaps this is one of those things that wasnt specifically put in writing so as to allow them deniability but was SAID a lot. I wanted to show my counselor the kinds of things they write.
Thank you again!
WLD