Posts by ellderwho

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Is Jesus Christ and Michael the ArchAngel one and the same person?

by booker-t in

i must admit that as a jw i never really swallowed this belief maybe because i was so young when i was really a staunch jw.

i would have born-again christians tell me that it was impossible for jesus and michael to be the same person and that jw's invented this doctrine.

fast forward to 2004 while i was reading a book on jesus i noticed that some of the early church fathers thought michael was jesus christ i almost fell out of my chair.

ellderwho

Interesting. Show me in the Bible where it says that God transplanted Michael into Mary' womb.

Happy guy,

Funny isnt it, they way the Jw wants Jesus to be Michael in heaven, yet will not give Jesus on earth a dual nature.

Oh the web they've weaved.

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Is Jesus Christ and Michael the ArchAngel one and the same person?

by booker-t in

i must admit that as a jw i never really swallowed this belief maybe because i was so young when i was really a staunch jw.

i would have born-again christians tell me that it was impossible for jesus and michael to be the same person and that jw's invented this doctrine.

fast forward to 2004 while i was reading a book on jesus i noticed that some of the early church fathers thought michael was jesus christ i almost fell out of my chair.

ellderwho

LOL @ Tammy

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Question on Rom 6:23

by _Atlas in

"for the wages sin pays is death, but the gift god gives is everlasting life?".

rom 6:23.

for years we been taught that we die because of sin and once you die you have paid your "debt" .

ellderwho

"For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life?"
Rom 6:23
For years we been taught that we die because of sin and once you die you have paid your "debt"

But notice how this logic does not apply to the Jw that makes it into "paradise" without dying, thus never paying for their sin.

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Is Jesus Christ and Michael the ArchAngel one and the same person?

by booker-t in

i must admit that as a jw i never really swallowed this belief maybe because i was so young when i was really a staunch jw.

i would have born-again christians tell me that it was impossible for jesus and michael to be the same person and that jw's invented this doctrine.

fast forward to 2004 while i was reading a book on jesus i noticed that some of the early church fathers thought michael was jesus christ i almost fell out of my chair.

ellderwho

I believe the two trees in the Garden of Eden symbolized the same two choices that mankind has before it today, eternal life or eternal death. Genesis is a treasure house of spiritual symbolism and imo will continue to provide beautiful spiritual fruits until the Christ himself returns.

What would you say Adams created values where? Another words what was Adam "loaded" with, as far as seeing a bad choice vs. a good choice. And his abilty to discern?

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New 607 info?

by startingover in

i just discovered something i have not seen anywhere before.

i was looking at my old "all scripture inspired" book, and i say old because it was the first edition from 1963 and i had used it for years.

according to the wt cd there were revisions in 1983 and 1990. i came across this little goodie under the book of daniel.

ellderwho

he mere fact that you have left the truth and now attack it shows you that it is here. also why dont you read Matthew 24:1-14, after that ask yourself who else publishes bible literature in 400 languages in 235 lands. GOOD NEWS PREACHED TO ALL THE EARTH.

The Knowledge book page 19 says "the Bible is is the munber one best seller in the world. It has been translated, in whole or in part, into over 2,000 languages."

How many languages is the NWT translated in?

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Is Jesus Christ and Michael the ArchAngel one and the same person?

by booker-t in

i must admit that as a jw i never really swallowed this belief maybe because i was so young when i was really a staunch jw.

i would have born-again christians tell me that it was impossible for jesus and michael to be the same person and that jw's invented this doctrine.

fast forward to 2004 while i was reading a book on jesus i noticed that some of the early church fathers thought michael was jesus christ i almost fell out of my chair.

ellderwho

"Jesus" is simply Michael's earthly name. Similarly, the names of other persons were changed. Abram was changed to Abraham. Sari (spelling ?) was changed to Sarah.
Was Michael raised from the dead or was it Jesus?
That's fairly obvious, isn't it, since they are one and the same person.

According to your logic then Michael was raised, because he was no longer in a earthly body and returned to the Father in heaven.

You still do not answer the question what happened to Michael in heaven?

Or better yet what came down from heaven?

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New 607 info?

by startingover in

i just discovered something i have not seen anywhere before.

i was looking at my old "all scripture inspired" book, and i say old because it was the first edition from 1963 and i had used it for years.

according to the wt cd there were revisions in 1983 and 1990. i came across this little goodie under the book of daniel.

ellderwho

, after that ask yourself who else publishes bible literature in 400 languages in 235 lands. GOOD NEWS PREACHED TO ALL THE EARTH.

The WTBS is comes up small, compared to the Mormons. And theres 15 million of them, and there considered small.

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Is Jesus Christ and Michael the ArchAngel one and the same person?

by booker-t in

i must admit that as a jw i never really swallowed this belief maybe because i was so young when i was really a staunch jw.

i would have born-again christians tell me that it was impossible for jesus and michael to be the same person and that jw's invented this doctrine.

fast forward to 2004 while i was reading a book on jesus i noticed that some of the early church fathers thought michael was jesus christ i almost fell out of my chair.

ellderwho

I have been enjoying this discussion, and in particular you're input. I too believe that Jesus and Michael are one and the same individual.

What happened to Michael while Jesus was on earth?

Was Michael raised from the dead or was it Jesus?

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New 607 info?

by startingover in

i just discovered something i have not seen anywhere before.

i was looking at my old "all scripture inspired" book, and i say old because it was the first edition from 1963 and i had used it for years.

according to the wt cd there were revisions in 1983 and 1990. i came across this little goodie under the book of daniel.

ellderwho

yeah! this is gettin juicey

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Is Jesus Christ and Michael the ArchAngel one and the same person?

by booker-t in

i must admit that as a jw i never really swallowed this belief maybe because i was so young when i was really a staunch jw.

i would have born-again christians tell me that it was impossible for jesus and michael to be the same person and that jw's invented this doctrine.

fast forward to 2004 while i was reading a book on jesus i noticed that some of the early church fathers thought michael was jesus christ i almost fell out of my chair.

ellderwho

Sabrina: I think it is reasonable to believe that since Jesus had a pre-human existence and since he was God's firstborn son and loved his Father so very much that he would be the one taking the lead in fighting against his Father's enemies in heaven.

What then was Jesus' name in his pre-human existance?

And what happaned to that "pre-existance" form?