Thanks for finding those quotes, Blondie. I remember some of them at the time they were written and wondered if they weren't applying the "new scroll" idea to their WT articles.
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Br. Loesch - great tribulation, king of the north, generation overlap, new scrolls and more...
by Bonnie_Clyde injust got this email...... .
subject: zone report germany date: 5/17/11 2:02:57 am.
we thought we would share one of our interesting experiences with you.
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Br. Loesch - great tribulation, king of the north, generation overlap, new scrolls and more...
by Bonnie_Clyde injust got this email...... .
subject: zone report germany date: 5/17/11 2:02:57 am.
we thought we would share one of our interesting experiences with you.
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I'm enjoying all your comments, especially Quendi and Journey On. Also the "noo lite" that peace and security comes after the destruction of Babylon the Great instead of before (as Blondie pointed out). Wait a minute... I think he just said it just would be the leaders of Christendom. What about the other world religions? When do they meet their demise?
Have you noticed that the WT always keeps talking about "new scrolls"? My Bible only says that "scrolls will be opened." Nothing about their being new.
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Br. Loesch - great tribulation, king of the north, generation overlap, new scrolls and more...
by Bonnie_Clyde injust got this email...... .
subject: zone report germany date: 5/17/11 2:02:57 am.
we thought we would share one of our interesting experiences with you.
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Just got this email.....
Subject: Zone Report Germany Date: 5/17/11 2:02:57 AM
We thought we would share one of our interesting experiences with you. Yesterday we had our Zone visit talks. We enjoyed listening to a talk by Br. Hardy, the coordinator of the London Bethel, (our 3rd time having him as Zone overseer) in which he included many touching experiences. Then we had the privilege of listening to Br. Loesch, of the Governing Body while he gave a 2 hour talk at the Kingdom Hall in the Bethel here in Germany. It was a talk about the last days, Bible prophecy and the future. He described in detail about the progression of the great tribulation and how it will happen in 3 phases, similar to the progression of the 1st century attack on the city of Jerusalem.
The 1st stage will begin with an unmistakable attack of world leaders on Christendom. They will plunder her wealth and property. The 2nd phase will include that the governments will believe that they have achieved peace and security. The 3rd phase is that the world leaders under the direction of the Gog of Magog and the King of the North would turn their attention to Jehovah's people. The King of the North is........He said we will have to wait and see who attacks us then we will know who the King of the North will be. It doesn't help us to speculate. Some of the anointed ones still on earth will go to heaven shortly after the great tribulation. The sealing of the 144,000 would be complete when the 4 angels let go of the winds of the earth at Armageddon. Then Jehovah and Jesus will step in and bring about Armageddon, even using the forces of nature and fearful signs in the heavens so everyone will know that this was a divine act.
Other interesting points were: the explanation of the generation as is described in the Watchtower about how the anointed ones who saw 1914 would overlap those who they could pass this knowledge on to.
Also, he described what it will be like to live forever and the work that will be involved in helping resurrected ones (housing, food, spiritual knowledge etc..) also those who died last will be resurrected first with the exception of the Princes such as Noah, Moses, Abraham etc.. What we enjoyed the most was how he used the Bible and always referred to the Watchtower articles, especially ones in 1994, 1999, and 2006. It was emphasized that we don't know the answers to many things, and that we won't know until they happen so speculating can be a waste of time. He recommended that we picture ourselves in the new world often even if we don't know all the details about it. He also got us to imagine living not just 1000 years but quintillion years and then on into eternity. He said that boredom is part of our imperfection and that once we are perfect we will never again feel bored. He used the scripture at Ecclesiastes 3:11 about how we will "NEVER find out the work that the true God has made from the start to the finish."
He reminded us that new scrolls would be opened and that Jehovah's rest period would be finished at the end of the 1000 years and that he may begin creating new things. It really touched our hearts to hear him emphasize these points. The 2 hours went by fast, many scriptures were used and detailed explanations were given, more than we are even noting here. It was a privilege to hear this information, although not new, but in such an intimate setting.
PS. The whole program was in English and was translated into Portuguese. About 1800 heard the program. The same program will be given in German this coming Wednesday night.
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-12-2011 WT Study (DECISIONS)
by blondie inmake decisions.
all the decisions that we make?
why make decisions at all?.
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We can save ourselves and others much anxiety and grief if we modestly make decisions only when we have been granted the authority to do so.
From paragraph 11
So who grants us the authority to make decisions? Is it implying we can't make decisions unless the elders grant us the authority? This comment was right after mentioning that elders make decisions in the congregation and follow closely the instructions of the FDS.
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Circuit Servant (Overseer) Just Another Elder?
by blondie infor years congregation servants (no elders yet) feared the co visit who wielded a great deal of power over the servants.
if the cs said jump, the congregation servants said how high.
selective memories............ *** w71 11/15 p. 700 a body of elders with rotating chairmanship ***does a circuit servant when he visits a congregation have more authority than the elders of the congregation and can he change things in the congregation, such as times of meetings, the arrangement of the hall, or change brothers in the various positions of oversight?
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All elders are equal, it's just some are more equal than others.
Quote from Animal Farm - "All pigs are equal, it's just some are more equal than others."
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How is Cynthia Franz doing?
by onemore inhi all, .
im wondering if anyone here close to ray franzs widow knows how is she holding up.
onemore.
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 05-29-2011 WT Study (JEREMIAH)
by blondie in1, 2. why is jehovahs keeping awake associated.
message to nations and kingdoms.
people today appreciate what about the preaching.
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Did you know that until 1969 the WTS taught that the great tribulation started in 1914 and temporarily was stopped by God in 1918 to start up again in the near future?
Isn't that what Harold Camping was saying...that the tribulation began in 1994 and was temporarily interrupted and that it would start up again on May 21, 2011?
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 05-22-2011 WT Study (READY) 2ND POSTING
by blondie inunited nations http://www.randytv.com/secret/unitednations.htm.
prove yourself ready!.
need to be ready.
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Bonnie_Clyde
Seems like an appropriate article after the May 21 disappointment. I wonder how Harold Camping got his date for Noah's flood? The Watchtower says the flood was in 2370 B.C.E. while Camping says it was more like 4990.
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This is how I remember the pre-1975 era. Yes, there were a lot of talks at the meetings about 1975, a lot of talk among the witnesses to one another, but, unlike Camping, we never talked about 1975 when we were in field service unless we found someone who was interested. Even prior to the 1975 hoopla, we were always told to put the emphasis of our message on the wonderful new world that was right around the corner instead of destruction of Armageddon. Tell 'em about Armageddon later. That may be another reason why the media didn't pick up on it.
I recently watched a doomsday religion documentary on TV that never even mentioned Jehovah's Witnesses but plenty of other groups.
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Most Overblown Examples Used at Assemblies
by What Now? inat a recent assembly, there was a talk highlighting the dangers of higher education.
the brother used an example of a young girl who went to university, began going to bars, and ended up getting drugged and gang raped - as if this happens to every young jw who chooses to get higher education.. .
what ridiculous examples have you heard used at meetings or assemblies?.
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At our assemblies they were always having experiences of teenagers who had resisted Satan's temptations to engage in worldly pursuits, etc., and how happy they were to be in Jehovah's service. Clyde and I would often look at each other and ask, "Wonder where they will be in two or three years. Will they still be around?" I bet that 4 out of 5 of them were either disfellowshipped or just disappeared--and often within a year.
Oh - an elder in our congregation a few years ago told about how he worked for this little printing company and often had an opportunity to work overtime on Saturdays but resisted the temptation so he could go in field service. What he didn't tell them was, he was actually VP of a large printing company, made 3 or 4 times as much as the workers, had his home and cars paid for, and was on salary rather than hourly, so it didn't matter if he worked extra hours or not.
Bonnie