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  Sign of apostasy

  by Ireneus in

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  2. beliefs

  elders arranged a sort of informal visit by a more capable elder accompanied by another brother who is more qualified than me from academic background.

  their purpose was to reason with me as a last resort to avoid a jc.. during the two-hour discussion, i could make my point clear to them: “i don’t think any one particular religion has the whole truth.

  it may be existing as bits and piece in all religions and schools of thought.

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  stuckinarut2

  Remember how the elders were told by the GB in magazines "NOT to be spiritual policemen"?

  Yep, well, when it comes to rounding up those who don't want to attend, they become SWAT team policemen!

  Always remember that "less is more". The LESS you say, the MORE effective you will be. This is a simple and good line to say "Thankyou, but because I value Truth and Honesty, my conscience will not allow me to attend at the moment. I trust that you will respect this, and respect appropriate boundaries. Take care"

  Then say no more when they push. If necessary, simply repeat that line over and over mildly.
  
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  Keeping Good Records.

  by Lost in the fog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  have you seen this in the news tonight?

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  http://www.dw.com/en/jehovahs-witness-note-taking-challenged-at-eus-top-court/a-42408206.

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  stuckinarut2

  Thanks for sharing!
  
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  Have you ever gone back to a meeting out of curiosity?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  just wondering if anyone has gone back to a meeting out of curiosity?

  (perhaps to an area far from your old khall where you know no one).

  with all the changes from 2012 onwards (videos, tv screens, new meeting format, new songs etc) it would be an odd experience to be in attendance!.

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  stuckinarut2

  Great comments!

  Don't worry, I agree! I have no desire to really ever go back. Certainly no desire to take it seriously...

  It was more of a morbid curiosity - like watching a car crash in slow motion....
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  Have you ever gone back to a meeting out of curiosity?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  just wondering if anyone has gone back to a meeting out of curiosity?

  (perhaps to an area far from your old khall where you know no one).

  with all the changes from 2012 onwards (videos, tv screens, new meeting format, new songs etc) it would be an odd experience to be in attendance!.

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  stuckinarut2

  Just wondering if anyone has gone back to a meeting out of curiosity? (perhaps to an area far from your old KHall where you know no one)

  With all the changes from 2012 onwards (videos, tv screens, new meeting format, new songs etc) it would be an odd experience to be in attendance!

  It would be a testament to our ability to sit there and spot the logical fallacies, leading assumptions, strawperson tactics. The cognitive dissonance would be in overdrive I am sure too!

  So has anyone visited a meeting recently?

  Thoughts?
  
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  Has the Governing Body EVER apologized for anything?

  by Wild_Thing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  geoffrey jackson testified to the arc that the governing body has apologized for things in the past, so an apology to sexual abuse victims is "perceivable".

  what has the governing body ever apologized for?.

  22 q. just on that point, mr jackson, has the governing body23 considered apologising to survivors of child sexual abuse24 at the hands of elders within the organisation?25 a. i haven't been in any discussions with regard to that.26 27 q. is that something that you foresee might happen ‐ in 28 other words, that an apology at least be considered?29 a. the governing body has apologised on other matters, so30 for me to say ‐ i can't speak collectively for everybody, 31 but we have apologised on things in the past, in other32 areas, so it is perceivable.. .

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  The closest to an apology would be something like this:

  "In the past, some well meaning individuals have proposed ideas that were not in harmony with our current understanding. These individuals have been helped to humbly change their thoughts and ideas with the help of Jehovah and his Spirit directed organization"

  In other words, "IT WAS YOUR FAULT that you believed the things we told you"
  
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  "Gay sex is not porneia" started in 1947!

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  2. friends

  look at this "gem"!.

  it's from the november 1st, 1947 watchtower, p.336.

  essentially, this is what started the doctrine that you couldn't divorce your spouse if he/she cheated on you with another member of the same sex.. this ended in 1972 with another wt article.

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  stuckinarut2

  Totally astounding!

  So, when Jehovah gave such directions through his earthly channel, was he having a bad day and getting things wrong?

  Has Jehovah now realised his errors?

  Or could it be that the people "speaking for God" were wrong?...Hmmm? Does that prove that they DO NOT speak for God?
  
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  Using Watchtowers Own Reasoning Against Them RE: The Governing Body

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  something occurred to me today.

  quite randomly as i was working away at my desk i remembered an illustration from the bible teach book in which satan claimed he knew better than jehovah about ruling mankind.

  here's the illustration from chapter 11 of that book:.

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  stuckinarut2

  Spot on! Great point!

  BUT, you realise that you are committing the unforgivable sin of "using your independent thinking abilities" ?!?!
  
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  Watch Tower's eBay account

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the last post about the violin for sale got me to looking at their ebay account which says it's based in wallkill.

  they've got over 200 items for sale, most obsolete electronics that are grossly overpriced.

  among them are used hard drives, like this one:.

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  stuckinarut2

  Ewww...amongst the many items they have for sale is a "medical examination bed" as used by gynaecologists! (complete with feet stirrups!)
  
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  Superbly Written Article in Canadian Magazine

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jehovah's witnesses cover-up.

  http://www.ucobserver.org/justice/2018/01/jw/.

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  Brilliant article!

  Really well researched and written! No "apostate driven lies" in this article. It is all facts.

  Now let us see how the Society responds?!?!
  
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  Pillowgate: a heterosexual male's review

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my first impressions watching it, coming from a heterosexual male, was that it was just plain ridiculous (big surprise, i know), but i just want to share some thoughts as to why.. regarding the hypothetical scenario of two guys asking each other if they've ever woken up with an erection and other stuff like that: no, that would not arouse me.

  i'm talking with a male, which i'm not sexually attracted to, and assuming he's a friend, it's just a casual conversation that i'm mature enough to handle.

  the only way this is flirting (and then only maybe) is if one of us is gay.

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  stuckinarut2

  That scenario of two guys masturbating in front of each other, has to be one of the most disturbing things I've ever heard said by the Society!

  I spent 5 years in bethel, and that idea NEVER came up. I mean seriously, how messed up are the GB to even create such a hypothetical example?