At the end of the day, he ended up like everyone else, disfellowshipped. The organization he defended against the likes of people like AlanF, threw him out. He became an apostate to them, whether he knows it or not. He used to predict how close we were to the end before 9/11. He really thought that was going to be it when it happened. Now here we are 23 years later, he is saying the same things as back then.
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Robert King aka e-watchman
by RolRod inthere have been a few post about robert king, the first was 16 years ago, the last was 9 years ago.
just to the let the old timers here know, he's still at it.
and for you newbies, robert king who wrote "jehovah himself has become king.
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When JW.org drops 607BCE...
by Nathan Natas inprobably everyone else thought of this long ago, but i, being an "independent thunker" thunk of it just a coupla weeks ago.. we all know that since the year zero (on the fredfranzian calendar) the wtb&ts has defied archaeology and insisted that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, even though the physical evidence shows that 587 bce is a more likely date.
in fact, the book "the gentile times reconsidered: have jehovah's witnesses been wrong all along about 607 bce?
" by carl olof jonsson and rud persson made this conversation public.. it is a difference of 20 years.
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If the ORG wanted to abandon 607, they could and would just get rid of it. There is nothing in the Bible that says you need to use the fall of Jerusalem to determine the last days. The Bible gives all those signs. In any case, if I were the org, I would only change one thing about 1914. I would say that 1914 was just the beginning of pangs of distress but identified the time of the end. I would make the last days start when the great tribulation starts. I would harp that we see the signs of pangs of distress now so the last days are very close. This fixes any “last days” going on for over one hundred years but keeps 1914 and therefore 1919. They could keep 607 or get rid of it, it really doesn’t matter. -
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Q about Jesus' sacrifice
by oncebitten ini have several jw family members.
i have been shunned many years now.
i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.
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If Jesus didn't die for everyone's sins, how would people survive armageddon? The witness implies the only way to have your sins forgiven, is to die. Witnesses believe there will be people that never die.
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Prediction: I think the Blood Policy is about to change.
by underground ini’d like to start out by saying this is my opinion.. i believe that the organisation is about to make blood transfusions in any form a conscience matter.. they will still ban the eating of blood.. they will gaslight everyone by talking about how it is so much safer now.
and will say something along the lines of how our stance protected us from the aids crisis etc.. and i believe this change is going to happen before the annual meeting 2024.. i think the annual meeting will announce they are scrapping the midweek meeting and instead we get to watch a streamed talk at home through a revamped website similar to the way netflix works.. obviously take my opinion with a hefty pinch of salt..
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sloppyjoe2
What's the point of making a random prediction out of thin air?
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What exactly IS 1914 these days?
by Halcon init's no longer a year tying to the present (the old pre-1995 generation belief).
realistically, that's the only reason why it mattered.
and if it doesn't really matter what it is anymore, why would jw not do away with it?.
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sloppyjoe2
1914 is the date most important to Jehovah's Witnesses. The only people who have a problem with 1914 are ExJWs. There is zero incentive to do away with 1914. Every JW accepts it as it as and accepts the generations teaching as it is.
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Prediction: no more changes for a long while
by slimboyfat ini’ve noticed a pattern where things don’t go the way i expect them to go and/or whenever i realise there is a trend and, i mentally adjust for the idea that the trend will continue, the trend stops in its tracks.
so on that basis, and given many people, including myself, and active jws, have been asking ‘what changes will the governing body make next?’ perhaps the (disappointing) answer is: ‘nothing much for a while to come’.
maybe they’ve made the changes they want for now, and will wait a while and see how it’s received.
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sloppyjoe2
I notice everyone keeps speculating about 1914. Why drop it while any of the current governing body are alive? The overlapping generation covers all of them to their death. That's a problem for the governing body 4.0
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Covid Vaccine
by sloppyjoe2 ini may be mistaken, but wasn’t there a governing body video where one of them said something along the lines of you don’t trust that the vaccines are safe do you really believe that the governing body is the faithful slave?
perhaps i imagined this but i thought something like this was said.
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sloppyjoe2
Yes if you watch from the 2-5 minute mark. He questions whether your trust that Jehovah is running the organization? And then says do you think Jehovah would allow everyone to get a harmful vaccine. If you watch it, it’s very coercive.
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Covid Vaccine
by sloppyjoe2 ini may be mistaken, but wasn’t there a governing body video where one of them said something along the lines of you don’t trust that the vaccines are safe do you really believe that the governing body is the faithful slave?
perhaps i imagined this but i thought something like this was said.
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sloppyjoe2
I found what I was looking for. 2021 governing body update number 9
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Covid Vaccine
by sloppyjoe2 ini may be mistaken, but wasn’t there a governing body video where one of them said something along the lines of you don’t trust that the vaccines are safe do you really believe that the governing body is the faithful slave?
perhaps i imagined this but i thought something like this was said.
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sloppyjoe2
I may be mistaken, but wasn’t there a governing body video where one of them said something along the lines of you don’t trust that the vaccines are safe do you really believe that the governing body is the faithful slave? Perhaps I imagined this but I thought something like this was said. -
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My conclusion on the matter
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inafter being brought up a jw, going to mts, bethel, pioneer school multiple times, serving in foreign assignments and having been an elder for decades my conclusion is that i am now pima, physically in mentally agnostic.. agnostic means you think it can’t be proven either way creation or evolution.
i do tend to lean towards evolution but creation at the very start because you can’t get life from dead matter.
but i’m open to the possibility of chance theory at the origin of it all.
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@ExBethelitenowPIMA
When I first was going through what you are, I didn't know where to end up. Finally I decided, I just don't know. Maybe there is something after we die, maybe there isn't. I will find out, or won't, after I'm dead. I do believe there is a greater power than us. But I don't hold to this idea that we know what the power is doing, did, does or will do. Granted you were/are much more into the religion more than I ever was. Being raised as a JW, it never gave me some relief, or security. It was always very trying, difficult, embarrassing at times to be involved. No "blessing" ever happened to me that was supposed to happen because I gave up fun for theocratic activities. All I ended up with was wasted time. So there is the aspect that you have to go through that I did not. I didn't have this sense of difficulty leaving and genuinely don't know how hard that must be for you and anyone else that did. I had relief and you have despair. I probably can't understand the apprehension that must cause.