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  Nov 2014 KM - a text message counts as a return visit!

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you don't know, km's are now online too.

  under the heading, "i cannot find him at home again!

  " it mentions how a text message or email is to be counted as a return visit.

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  Shirley: what difference does it make to us- *the ones who already know it is a futile endeavor*if the methods are ineffective. We are not doing it. We know lives are not at stake.

  yes many go out for show, what choice do they have if they want to keep their positions and support what they think is the "truth"

  I respect that alot more than faders or ones who know it is futile still go out and "pretend "to knock ect. They are doing it for show also.

  I just think those who refuse to participate should not criticize or be derisive of ones actually out there trying.

  The org. Methods might be inefficient, but isn't that a good thing?

  edit to add: hopefully sincere ones will wake up when they do realize how ineffective these methods are.
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  Nov 2014 KM - a text message counts as a return visit!

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you don't know, km's are now online too.

  under the heading, "i cannot find him at home again!

  " it mentions how a text message or email is to be counted as a return visit.

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  Truth seeker: it already happened. For almost a year I have been getting a text message from an elder every Sunday after a meeting.

  The text does not name me personally, just:

  "We missed you sister. At today's meeting so&so gave a great talk about blah blah, our study article dealt with the latest new lite."

  And then no signature. I didnt know who was sending it. ( I think it might have been a mass text to absentees)

  lately I have not gotten any. Maybe he gave up.
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  Nov 2014 KM - a text message counts as a return visit!

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you don't know, km's are now online too.

  under the heading, "i cannot find him at home again!

  " it mentions how a text message or email is to be counted as a return visit.

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  MissFit

  I personally do not begrudge the JWs publishers having an easier time in the "ministry". Most believe in what they are doing and want to feel like they are accomplishing something.

  I would rather send a text or call someone than spend my gas and wasting 2 hours while a car group makes four calls.

  Most of us here have choosesn not to participate in that activity but some here continue to criticize and ridicule those who do. It has been mentioned how ineffective and inefficient the door to door work is , but there is criticism when the org. Tries new methods.

  I dont think the rank and file publishers need to be viewed with contempt or ridicule.

  They are just doing their jobs the bestb way they know how.

  Miss.Fit

  *edited to remove broad generalization such as "many, &most"
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  A few people have asked Why dont the parents or children who are the victims go straight to the police.

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i will offer a couple of reasons hopefully many people can contribute more.

  their are probably umpteen ( for want of a better word ) reasons why this is so .. lets be bloody honest about this , sex is the be all and end all of society , and has been since adam gazed upon eve.

  (if you can beleive that story ).

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  Smiddy, sure guilt and shame is part of it, but dont forget the fear factor and the enforced secrecy that cloaks the relationship between abuser and child.

  it is hard to explain but especially if the abuser cultivates a close relationship with the child or even the family, there is an instinct to protect him. The child's loyalty is divided because he is mistaking the abuse for a demostration of love.

  Abusers know how to push the right buttons and make it about them. How they are misunderstood or in my foster father's case: "influenced by demons".

  I remember part of the discussion I had with my sisters was what would happen to him?

  My foster mother was more worried about financial support if he was in jail. Also the stigma of him being known as an abuser.

  Us kids were worried about where we would end up.

  So what happened was the elders deleted him as an elder and publicly reproved him.

  He was allowed to stay in the home, but we . Were given strict instructions not to be alone with him.

  we still had to respect him as the head of the house, and take discipline from him. We were not allowed to talk about it to anyone or mention it to him.

  Sometimes adults really suck. And being a kid is being treated like a possession. ..no one asked us. We didnt even know we had options.

  A culture of secrecy.
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  My Relief

  by Smart in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  what a massive relief!

  thank god i have just found this site the other day!

  i don't know where to begin!

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  Smart: Welcome! I missed this thread earlier.

  Thanks for sharing your story. Take some time to explore. Use the search button to pull up any subject you are interested in . There are alot of thought provoking threads.

  Just take your time. Goodness! I forgot about all of the gotta dos we were expected to keep up with. Take a bit of their advice and simplify.

  Take care of your needs and start getting rid of the stuff that is complicating your life.

  it is a process but is worth it. The feeling of all that guilt being lifted is priceless.

  I hope to get to know you better. I look forward to more of your posts.

  Miss.Fit
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  Why don't parents of an abused child go straight to police, why go to an elder first??

  by FeelingFree in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i hope i don't come across as judgemental but having read a lot on the current child abuse cases and the different threads on here, i am left wondering why on earth a parent of an abuse victim would go to an elder with the problem first and not straight to police?.

  as a parent myself i know that if anything like that happend to my child (this applies to when i was still an active jw as well as now) i would not hesitate in going to the authorities as soon as i found out, it wouldn't of crossed mine or my husbands mind to go to an elder.

  maybe after we had reported it but definitely never as the first port of call.

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  3rdgen: thank you for your kind words. You are so right... those who have never been abused have no idea about the psychological hold the abusers hold.
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  on UPI, this poster,Survivor, shared her story and it is heartwrenching

  by nonjwspouse in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been following the comments to the $13.5 million judgement story.

  this post is gripping.

  i hope she finds support for the story being told by so many, over and over.... i am not even close to being qualified to understand fully.. http://www.upi.com/top_news/us/2014/11/01/jehovahs-witnesses-must-pay-135m-to-teachers-sex-victim/2761414865636/#comment-1673431193.

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  Wannabe: those responses are programmed in...they are said automatically without a second thought.

  I had a conversation with my friend and her mom about the $13 Million law suit.

  I got the same programmed responses.
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  one last step..Is being mentally out the same as being emotionally out?

  by MissFit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we talk here about the importance of being mentally and physically out to be really free.. what about being emotionally free?.

  i realized for me, i had to be emotionally awake first.

  i had been yo-young back and forth for years.

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  So humbled: what was the question that bothered you?

  Humbled it sounds like it started mentally with your questions and triggered you emotionally when you saw the effect of thinking for yourself then completed the journey by physically leaving.

  I know from reading your posts that your journey is still on going. It will be interesting to see where you will end up.

  Miss Fit
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  Interesting Religious Conversation with my Daughter...

  by garyneal in

  1. social
  2. family

  yesterday, my wife was getting ready for the kh and told the kids that they had to get ready too.

  i figured, oh well, they're heading to the hall at least i can get the time i need to catch up on some house work and what not.

  before i know it, the wife gave up and allowed the kids to stay.

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  MissFit

  Hey guys, the point is Gary was respectful about all religions when he discussed it with his daughter. His point was that people do things that may not make sense to others because they think it will please their god.

  We may not understand it or approve of it, or even believe there is a God.
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  on UPI, this poster,Survivor, shared her story and it is heartwrenching

  by nonjwspouse in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been following the comments to the $13.5 million judgement story.

  this post is gripping.

  i hope she finds support for the story being told by so many, over and over.... i am not even close to being qualified to understand fully.. http://www.upi.com/top_news/us/2014/11/01/jehovahs-witnesses-must-pay-135m-to-teachers-sex-victim/2761414865636/#comment-1673431193.

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  I can't read too many of those types of experiences. It triggers too many of my own.

  it does help to know I wasn't the only one and to realize that even after 40 years the policies of protecting the ORG. Over protecting children is still in place.

  It takes a lot of courage to speak out. As this problem gets more exposure, more people will be empowered to speak out.

  These comments being made in public "nonapostate" sites will reach more people.