Bible trained conscience
Babylon the Great
Worldly person
no part of the world/ keep seperate from the world
independant thinking
dont make Jehovah sad
Rely on Jehovah, he will provide
This system of things
what saying made it all around the country?.
the ones that were passed around, word of mouth.. for example.
"donations basis proves jehovah is behind the work!".
Bible trained conscience
Babylon the Great
Worldly person
no part of the world/ keep seperate from the world
independant thinking
dont make Jehovah sad
Rely on Jehovah, he will provide
This system of things
everyone has an opinion on things.
oftentimes, we ask for help or want the view of the board in a matter.
but just remember, the comments are simply personal views.
Minimus: great advice.
I think it is important to remember that most of us are strangers to another.
We only know what the posters choose to tell us about themselves. And even that is just scratching the surface.
People respond based on their biases and experiences and their perceptions based on what they think they know based on the info. you give them.
i've been thinking about brother morris' statement at the zone meeting this past weekend that inactive ones are bloodguilty.
bloodguilt is defined as "guilty of murder or manslaughter.
" murder is #1 on the list of disfellowshipping offenses- all they would have to do is change the wording from "murder" to "bloodguilt" and suddenly there you have grounds to disfellowship anyone who's inactive.
I hope UBMs and faded spouses, anyone with family still in, or are being shunned, really had a chance to hear or read the transcript of that talk.
That in a nutshell us what you are dealing with.
imagine being told stuff like that all of your life?
Imagine the guilt they feel when they look at you or your children. They are looking at your blood on their hands.
They have to do more, be more, because maybe if they cant get you in, they will not be worthy enough to make it to paradise.
Putting in that 15 min. Of informal witnessing a month can mean the difference between life or death!
Many feel bitter because they think their family has choosen the org. Over them.
Not true. They are fighting for your lives and their salvation.
Think of that strong imagery he invoked.
Standing before God with your blood and your children's blood dripping from their hands because they didnt do enough.
not all of these questions apply to me, so i will just leave an "-" for any which are irrelevant.
tell us a little about yourself and your family.i am a young adult in my 20's with family still in.
currently, it is totally impossible for me to leave due to family & business ties, as well as other reasons, so i am just lying low at the moment.
Nice meeting you. I am looking forward to more of your posts.
here they are straigt from the presses of bethel.
a new publication for those trying to date and get that young sister to pay attention to him.
here are the top 10:.
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so is it possible to understand a reason and not respect it?
shouldn't understanding lead to a respect of the reasons and actions?.
or can you respect the reasons and actions without understanding them?.
Millie: you are echoing my sentiments. I just didnt know how to put it.
I agree with Millie but Coded logic has a point. Some decisions do not seem worthy of respect. Is that because we are being judgmental and viewing them from our bias?
so is it possible to understand a reason and not respect it?
shouldn't understanding lead to a respect of the reasons and actions?.
or can you respect the reasons and actions without understanding them?.
Millie: you are echoing my sentiments. I just didnt know how to put it.
I agree with Millie but Coded logic has a point. Some decisions do not seem worthy of respect. Is that because we are being judgmental and viewing them from our bias?
so is it possible to understand a reason and not respect it?
shouldn't understanding lead to a respect of the reasons and actions?.
or can you respect the reasons and actions without understanding them?.
So does respecting the person or viewpoint mean condoning the action?
Does understanding the viewpoint condone the action?
Is it possible to respect that the person has a right to make their own decisions and not respect the choice they made?
Jhine: so you are saying my mom understands the reasoning but cant respect the action because it goes against her core values?
Coded logic:you said: "when people of good intentions do bad things-like letting their kids die by refusing blood transfusions- I am capable of pitying them but never respecting them."
Is pity a type of understanding? Do you condemn them for their decisions based on what you consider is right and wrong?
Tails: you said: "That is pure judgement thinking...she understands the temptations...but
doesnt respect the giving into the sin. "
Maybe that is what I am trying to understand.
back to august of 1988. my brother and i were the ones being marked.
at the time, my father had clued us in that it was coming and had gotten a recording of it.
are we not also obliged to act on wrongs being committed by a family member or members?
The next best thing to stoning?
REALLY???
Do they even listen to themselves?
That transcript was an eye opener.
so is it possible to understand a reason and not respect it?
shouldn't understanding lead to a respect of the reasons and actions?.
or can you respect the reasons and actions without understanding them?.
So is it possible to understand a reason and not respect it? Shouldn't understanding lead to a respect of the reasons and actions?
Or can you respect the reasons and actions without understanding them?
Am I making any sense?
It just seems to me, if you put yourself in others shoes and try to understand their view point, even If you dont agree with their views or actions, you can still find things to respect about the person you dont agree with.
For instance , My mom was not showing any respect for my niece because she is living with her boyfriend for over 10 years & is still not married. She dismisses out of hand their commitment becausen it isn't "Jehovah's way".
I told her that my niece has been in a committed relationship, has not slept around and should not be judged because they havent made it legal. For all she knows, they might have committed to each other in front of god. Only Jehovah can judge.
So when I told her that she can respect Niece and boyfriend for being committed to eachother,
she said: no I CAN'T respect it but I understand it.????