Posts by Ocean1111

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8TH KING RISING

by CharlieSmith1975 in

per jws the un is the scarlet-colored wild beast that becomes the 8th king just before armageddon.

it is interesting to see how the un is becoming more and more an authority in the world with obama clearly the leader and supporter of globalism.

plus obama is always saying "peace and security.

Well JWs did call the first two UN placements and abyss rise in 1919 and 1945 as significant prophecy, respectively.

Thus Bethel bypassing the 3rd UN placement of 1990, the one they became UN NGO for instead, is of course suspect. Now THREE global war cycles in some form all resolved for? UN RELATED PRESENTATIONS! WW1, WW2 and the Cold War.

The significance is the Bethel apostates are bypassing a very important THIRD cycle that concluded in 1990 as the Cold War to present the 3rd UN placement as the "new world order" objective.

Thus if Bethel was not a UN allied subversion entity (Dan11:29-32a,41) JWs would know:

1. There are now 3 active UN cycles that concluded into a global UN presentation in 1919, 1945 and 1990; and all of them are foretold.

2. A FOURTH global cycle would now be logical, intuitive and prophetic. (Dan11:42-45)

Thus the "tribulation of those days" is actually that fourth cycle coming up and it will resolve (Matt24:29) into the full Revelation 11:7 (repeat fulfillment) parallel Revelation 17:8-18 "wildbeast" "abyss ascension" into, this time, WORLD GOVERNMENT (8th King/King North) and the UN "image nucleus" as one global mega-entity.

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Now we see rather than explain a FOURTH CYCLE requirement, and that ALL FOUR UN presentations are prophetic, JWs missed the third UN placement by Bethel subversion in 1990 and INSTEAD Bethel is selling JWs the premature "the end" expectation instead. That is the same delusion of 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 "to the effect Jehovah's day is here". That keeps JWs deceived as to fourth cycle reality with a delusion for a great hoax soon.

Thus Bethel is bypassing the fact the APOSTASY AT BETHEL has to be revealed long before the true end. (2Thess2:1-4) A fourth UN global tribulation cycle, which will find the UN impotent and inactive (maybe even "struck"), once again, by design, will instead unfold over the next 7 to 14 years (from final cycle actual commencement, now unknown) rolling to actual world government to be presented when that final cycle ends (over several final years as Daniel 12 replication).

This is why the "tribulation of those days" ends BEFORE Christ arrives (Matt24:29) for that "tribulation of those days" "abyss" resolves into 8th King world government "ascension". (Dan11:44-45 parallels Rev11:7 and Rev17:8-18);

Now we know why and how Bethel is the final marked apostasy for they break the first two UN placements among Jehovah's witnesses that would connect to the final two UN placements as a UN 1-2-3-4 continuum as Daniel 11:27-45 is ALL actually 8th King "King North" activity that Bethel also conceals with the USSR impossibility even after the USSR failed Daniel 11:36 success requirement. It is the 8th King, OBVIOUSLY, who must be also "King North" and purposeful dolt Bethel merely tows the deceptive party line. (Dan8:12)

Instead the temple judgment comes on JWs first, not "Babylon the Great". (1Pet4:17) and that will begin the FOURTH and final cycle (as Dan11:42-45), not "the end" by a long shot—in fact all Rev8-11 REPEATS, JWs and their original cycle explained since 1914-1919 significance were a preview, the "dress rehearsal".

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Flip-flops: Should we blindly obey?

by Splash in

just reviewed the cd-rom to get the historical view on blind obedience.. suprisingly, the wt has had some flip-flopping ideas on this.. should we 'blindly obey'?no - w63 2/1 p. 73 par.

3 conduct "worthy of the good news".

and as we consider these commands of god, it is not just blind obedience that is required but, rather, seeking with 'our whole mind and heart' to understand and appreciate why god tells us to do this or that, or not to do a certain thing, so that we may serve him with understanding.

Ocean1111

The point is "All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not" and so we need to stick together as a herd for FEMA by command of your local Pied Piper elders in the congregations, from command of the main Pied Vipers at Bethel in the Governing Body—so stick together when you do obey the seemingly insane, crazy and ludicrous commands to come down the pike "at that time" - don't forget to also bring your Bible study and their family if they want to come along:

""THEY STUCK TOGETHER

5 In the past, Jehovah was pleased to protect his people when they unitedly helped one another to face distressing times.

UNITE AS JEHOVAH’S DAY APPROACHES

10 One of the darkest periods in human history nears. The prophet Joel describes it as “a day of darkness and gloom.” (Joel 2:1, 2; Zeph. 1:14) For God’s people, it will be a time for unity. Recall Jesus’ words: “Every kingdom divided against itself comes to ruin.”

12 Nevertheless, is it reasonable to think that those who have not maintained unity as part of God’s flock—those who have strayed off on their own—will be saved?

22 Young and old who now learn to strive for unity are actually preparing to survive the end of this wicked, disunited world. As in times past, our God will deliver his people. (Isa. 52:9, 10) Bear constantly in mind that you can be among the delivered ones if you work at being part of God’s united people.

(WT 12/15/2014 Facing the End of This Old World Together)

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Why Jehovah's Witnesses Are Susceptible To Ponzi-Schemes and Rip-Off Artist More than the public!

by BucketShopBill in

this thread is dedicated to my friend blondie when she asked "why the pay day loan shop woman had so much access to jws".

in 1993 the jehovah's witnesses in ventura, santa barbara, san luis obispo, monterery, stanislaus, san fransisco, alemeda counties were spreading word of the miracle worker of money from san fransisco.

word traveled throughout the circuit overseers, district overseers telling everyone these brothers in san fransisco were paying 15% for "180 days loans"without any risk, most of these jws were elders and cos and dos, it was only among them the scam remained to create a "in crowd feeling" and left out non elders setting up the sheep for something special down the road!

Ocean1111

@BucketShopBill

Yes the early slogan was religion (in general) was the snare, not "false religion" so them dropping that detail allowed an organizational idolatry to develop as "true religion" versus "false religion". In reality, in my opinion, ALL of major organized "Christianity" and other mega religions are all fully controlled and rackets, including Bethel. Thus religion really is a racket when it goes corporate. Just can't help it, cons, money men and middle men just love religious dolts to milk and lead, plain and simple. They have made BILLIONS in this kind of spiritual Ponzi scheme. But there are many other red flags of an organizational corporate coup for real has formed at Bethel, and a billion dollar "nest egg" is part of the motive.

Because many global forecasters know how the WW1, WW2 and the Cold War "problem" all equated to a UN "solution" presentation, it is obvious GWOT is a fourth cycle preparation. Now Bethel says "it can end any day now brothers!", but in fact a very huge final globalization culminating cycle must play out for the final globalizing glue. This is why Bethel, though saying "the end" is tomorrow, are also at the same time building a "new world headquarters" - it makes no sense, why? If the end is as close as they act like they believe, why a freakin' 13 million dollar new HQ? Its ridiculous these kinds of contradictions. It is because the Bethel boys at the top KNOW the end is not any day now - they KNOW about the purpose of the greater globalization cycle.

Thus JWs will be left with no HQ when the coup hits in my opinion. In my opinion JWs will never touch that "new world headquarters" it will shift into the hands of others, and in the process JWs will be spiritually "homeless", no HQ altogether. (IMO they are hyping JWdot-org so they can reliably issue commands to jostled JWs even if they lose their kingdom halls, the Bethel Pied Piper commanders have the website for more commands, and that is why they all of a sudden are hyping the website so JWs wil flock there in worst case scenarios for more flute strains).

But twisting prophecies around to instill a premature end scenario into doltified JWs is probably the biggest hint Bethel is actually a full infiltration top intel operation with big bucks and properties as part of the goal of the corporate seizure. They want to sell the Bethel corporate downfall to JWs as "the end". Thus when the coup comes, it can unwind for a couple peak years and JWs will think, "yep! it is the end brothers!", when in fact the final cycle just unwinds as the former 1-2-3 cycles as usual, to full globalization 4th cycle and a final UN presentation, but of course as a world government many YEARS from now.

Thus selling JWs "the end is any day brothers!" is just a hyped up smokescreen exit strategy and it is working and it will work because Christ is not showing up as soon as JWs think, Bethel is going down well well before even world government presents itself through its fourth cycle. WW1, WW2 and the Cold War were capped off with UN presentations, thus it is logical the international government architects like to use global tribulations, even if mostly psychological as in the Cold War, to present their UN related "solution" masterpiece at the end of the cycle. The goal, imo, is to sink and strip Bethel as the cycle BEGINS. That way they can bulldoze the JW problem asap.

We are at the beginning preparations, like GWOT's global positioning, for that fourth cycle. We even have a "global war" "on terror" self proclaimed "world war" that few are catching on is for a second phase requirement. And it is into that global intrigue that the Bethel Titanic GB captains will steer the ship to be abandoned but looted in the exit. JWs own jumbled misapplied and misarranged "theology", by Bethel orchestration, will provide the "self fulfilling prophecy" smokescreen for that exit.

So in reality, in my opinion, it is even worse at Bethel than people here are realizing. JWs are being steered into a few years of TOTAL planned confusion and "prophecy fulfilling brothers!" is the means by which Bethel created this fantastic grand delusion. That is not accidental, they plan to cover their exit with false mental expectation literally drilled, stamped and ironed into the average JW skull for the last 40 years.

There is more to these Bethel anomalies than meet the eye, it is just the TIP of the hideous internal iceberg INSIDE Bethel arranged for the pillage, and duped JWs will AID THE PROCESS for quite some time and will be left holding the empty bag when it comes down and the internal operators vanish.

In my opinion that is what the top liars at Bethel really are, not even Christian at all, but expert racketeers at global levels of planning and ability for a multi-billion dollar cash cow BBQ. That coup will cap off the JW discrediting campaign, because though a tribulation cycle will form, NOTHING else JWs now forecast will manifest in the order of events now used to prime false JW expectations. Since it takes a few years to eventually see that forecast failure, that is why this can drag on for a while as Bethel implodes purposely aided from within. JWs have no idea the enemy is INSIDE their house now. (Dan11:32a, 41).

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Petra-Will you ask?

by Atlantis in

petra, will you ask atlantis or nevada if the watchtower has ever admitted that the words "governing body" are not scriptural?.

.. hi gene!

i am sorry i didn't get back with you sooner.

Ocean1111

If Bethel has to write that much to prove the word "governing body" still does not occur in the Bible it is obvious; the term "governing body" and the functionary "supreme council" is NOT in the Bible. It is a "foreign body" in what was once a valid Reformation 2.0 attempt. (1914-1969). The very existence of the "governing body" add-on superficial contrivance is an error in itself (2Thess2:11-12) and it is the one that has been permitted to form in Jehovah's witnesses because by 1976 they became a fully subversive dictatorship fattening their own wallets. In time they even adjoined the UN grass roots advertising agencies as NGO.

Obviously Revelation 2-3 has no reference whatsoever to any "governing body". The ministry was decentralized and ran by Christ for God, and when it deviates it goes to the full of the folly as will be the case in time for Bethel. The "Governing Body" even "lifting up" their own title is the first cell of organized apostasy in Jehovah's witnesses history. Bethel is the far more significant apostasy. Hence everything they do is to place JW attention to everyone and everything where the apostasy is not present to aid concealment of the simple fact: Bethel's leadership leads the latest Christian apostasy in its final form. (2Thess2:1-4).

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Chile and the flag: It's true!! Undeniable evidence!!

by ILoveTTATT in

jw
friends

joe, sorry, you'll have to eat some humble pie.. .

thank you so much for the poster on extj.com who sent these pics!!

can't have been better!!.

Ocean1111

"Mother" flaps the UN flag at UN NGO Bethel for 24 years, so a Chile flag is ok at the hall. Bethel also likes the UN white and blue color theme for their JWORG flag. One or two more idols in the JW pantheon of Bethel idols is ok with the "Boys from Bethel".

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Is truth relative?

by Pinku in

seeing various/changing laws on the same action, some may feel truth is relative, and there is no such thing as right and wrong.. yet a closer look at beneath the details would show that truth is not relative, and everyone knows what is right and wrong.. driving in the night by putting the head-light off is wrong, but right when country is in war with another country.

behind both the conflicting laws, the truth is same: safety and welfare of the people.

this is true of notion about what is right and wrong:.

Ocean1111

The truth for human civilization is profit. Everything else is legally arranged to serve the truth. Protecting people is secondary, protecting people at times protects profit and wealth creation. Wealth creation, protection and acquisition drives the whole. Currency, that is promissary notes and credit merely fuels the engine and offsets attention to confuse wealth with money, when they are entirely different things.

There is no wrong in the pursuit of profit for its top magicians and wizards.

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Why do you come here?

by love2Bworldly in

jw
friends

i come here to learn, but i also come here because it feels like a private club and i'm privy to be a member of the "in" crowd.

it's a great place to socialize.

does anyone else feel that they are a member of a special "club" when they come here, that only some people in this world will understand the jw world?.

Ocean1111

I come here to see how far some have ventured into the apostate Bethel "rabbit hole" to explain what is below the tip of the iceberg of the true organizational mechanics. Few venture further but some do realize it is a bit more than meets the eye at work in Bethel.

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1914 or 1934 ?

by Chris Tann in

i have thoroughly researched the watchtower doctrine of 1914, and am convinced it is neither biblically or historically correct.

but every now and then i wonder how ironic it is that world war 1 did start in that year, also pestilence and famine perused.

maybe, just maybe the witnesses are correct.

Ocean1111

True, "World War" is unique. World war is the theme of the climax periods of global power consolidations into corporate financial, industrial and technological powers. It is no accident the Federal Reserve system was set up just before WW1 erupted. Ever hear the term grinding the gravy train? Well the Fed is the main crank of World War 1 profiteering. All a big coincidence? Probably not.

So in effect WW1 did change the course of human history, even the " Cold War" and the " Global War on Terror" are world wars, merely unique in deployment and purpose, so the theme has continued since 1914-1918 (WW1 duration) and will continue until world peace is actually achieved under a UN related world government over a fourth global war and tribulation cycle. (Say in 7 to 14 years or so).

Thus the " League of Nations" foundational international government work was also very significant regardless of whether one tries to attach it to prophecy or not, it is what it is: the Embryo of World Government.

And all those things will continue to develop to the goal of world government and world "peace and security", it is not static and like it or not WW1 did set the theme for the whole following century. And that is just secular significance, it itself has nothing to do with prophecy, it just is what it is. 1914 is deemed significant as a historic turning point by the world itself due to the world-war-to-world-government dialectic formula, the "problem" to world government "solution" formula that earmarks the overall cycle as a whole.

Guess what?

Same cycle and dialectic occurred after WW2 as the United Nations emerged after that world war was resolved.

And again! After the Cold War the UN made a "world government" "solution" pitch and presentation again. Now we see a 1-2-3 pattern. As all those seemingly random "world war" "problems" resolved, lo and behold the handy global government pitch emerges.

Thus expecting a fourth cycle of the same formula to finally result in actual world government is predictable not from prophecy, but by sheer "common sense". It is the way the world operates, it has happened three times already, all it takes is one more global war and financial tribulation cycle to cap off the "solution" with one big "problem" designed to resolve into that final presentation. (So do NOT buy the JW "end of the world" BS, that simply aids the process).

For prophecy buffs out there, this is why in Matthew 24:29 Christ arrives AFTER "that tribulation" has ended into that world government finale. Neither JWs, Bethel or Christian commentators can explain why Christ arrives AFTER the "tribulation of those days" has ALREADY resolved. Now we know why. It is the tribulation-to-world-government cycle problem-to-solution formula that has to finalize before Christ arrives. It appears the "tribulation of those days" is the final world-war-to-world-goverment cycle that produces the goal of global government.

Apostate Bethel hasn't mentioned the "tribulation of those days" in print for about 11 years or so, so they are co-promoters of the premature "end of the world" delusion like many other Christian commentators.

Thus in retrospect it does not take prophecy to make global events and their associated dates significant. Like July 4 for example, has nothing to do with prophecy. It simply is what it is, 1776 associated with certain milestone events of July 4. But make no mistake, world government will indeed be a significant event regardless of religious inclination or not, and it did arrive in the overall WW1 1914-1919 cycle.

So in history of the future, 1914 will have been a significant date in the overall world government quadruple cycle process, it did begin in 1914 due to world events. It's just a year date, but interesting things occurred in and after that year of greatly unique nature. The supra-national private corporate financial system started to truly "globalize" at that time as well for example, at least it set the pattern for the future to follow WW1.

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Babylon, JeW's and the New World Order

by John Chapman in

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friends

any religion accepting a 501-c-3 tax exemption agrees not to discredit or speak negatively about the us (the "us") government.

how can a religion that claims to tell the truth agree to lie about the fundamental plauge infesting the planet?

apparently it's because they are just as much a part of the fascist corporatocracy centered in the financial world capitol of babylon don as any other government agency in this world empire of insanity.

Ocean1111

Well according to Genesis 3 and 6 it is pretty much an angelic "infiltration" of the human race. Now speaking of the ULTIMATE "conspiracy theory" any Christian (or any person) saying Satan and the demons actually exist according to the Bible record, for you certainly rarely see them, is the ultimate "conspiracy theorist".

Now given most national historical myths are simply the official state "conspiracy theory" against everyone -- "communist" or "Islamic" or "savage red man" or whatever -- but themselves, then one really has to choose which theory to attempt to believe because no one has seen anything, it is all hearsay, "his" "story", and media etc.

Thus in my opinion it is best for people to form their own opinion with some research. (And that goes beyond JWs "thinking for themselves", that means everyone should continue the tradition past the walls of Bethel, but as you can see, few do such a thing). And the more one actually researches with an open mind, the more the official state and religious mythologies get called into question because one red flag leads to more red flags and if the official myths were so solid they wouldn't have all the red flags they do. We were merely unfortunate enough to walk into first grade before they told us the powers that be are money and power lovers, thus lying is no sin to them. We had to put 2 and 2 together again, later in life.

An example is Bethel. It is just another cookie cutter from the same drawer. One red flag leads to another and before you know it the cult of the Governing Body appears to be from the first century alright, that is the same Roman corporate Papal root that was in the Jerusalem system in the Sanhedrin and other Roman controlled councils. That is the "tradition" the Governing Body continues, like the Pope, springing from their own mythological "Peter", but they are actually fully of secular order, in order to control the system they are now the nucleus of.

The real apostles we decentralized and they took orders from Christ, not assumed councils of men, period. There is no "holy" "governing body", it is a myth, Acts 15 describes the opposite. The real apostates are centralized ministerial controllers, e.g., Bethel's leadership plain and simple they are the most recent apostasy.

Thus it seems "infiltration" is as systemic as Genesis 3 and 6, and the story is or is not already there depending on how many "red flags" one has the ability or desire to see. But the "fractal" is every where, all one has to do is search global financial and central banking history, HISTORY not "conspiracy", to see how far the "rabbit hole" really does go. As we know most people have already eaten the blue pill, so the herd will be taken wherever the powers that be want to herd it all according to the common carrots and well entrenched channels and funnels that this all has created.

Strangely, the writing on the wall eventually seen from all this is the financial and economic fall of the US and EU national systems seems pretty predictable now however it goes down fast or slow, it has to implode on the US Dollar and that drags everyone else down in their inter-dependent nations, fast or slow. Even a 10% economic abruption globally would be many times worse than the "great depression" so obviously this must be well engineered to keep the core functional.

As complicated as it seems to be, it is all really just repeating versions of the same old story, the one in Genesis 6. And as you know the basic gist of Genesis 6 is present in the history of many people and in many peoples' present speculations as well. If we don't think for ourselves it is GUARANTEED the media system and state mythologists will think for us, whether at Bethel or at CBS, etc, and that is how the global scam is run, everyone helps them build their "new world order" for them all over the world, knowing or not.

Now why go through all this trouble and not finish the puzzle right?

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Could they become a real cult?

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

i study religions.

i never call new world religons cults.

until they become like heavsn gate etc.. the jw religions is setting itself u for this.

Ocean1111

Its been present for over twenty full years now. Bethel is the scriptural apostasy and the "writers" direct JW attention, for example, to everyone and everything where "the apostasy" is NOT present. The GB push the agenda for the whole.

Now the real mastery of the operation is they use accepted Bible prophecy of various judgments, like Babylon the Great, the 8th King and the whole world system to direct JW attention AWAY from the "judgment" that "STARTS with the house of God". (1Pet4:17);

No word on that is there?

Now by merely re-arranging accepted prophetic forecasts of the future, in just such a diverting arrangement and misapplication, the Bethel apostate operation can now direct attention to events that will not be manifesting in actuality, but the Bethel corporate downfall, which is planned, can unfold under the cover of this well prepared veneer "theology" expectations, actually a JW "self fulfilling prophecy" for the purpose of taking Bethel down, and selling that to JWs as "prophecy fulfilling brothers!" "the end is here brothers!" "the preaching work has ended brothers, well done!".

Bethel will be the one to end their own ministry.

Now by the time JWs realize Christ cannot arrive UNTIL AFTER the "tribulation of those days" (Matt24:29), those geniuses will be left with sore necks staring into the sky for at least a couple years. Jesus isn't showing up for quite some time. And there was no way to have prepared this elaborate of a hoax and the premature "Jehovah's day is almost here brothers!" of 2Thess2:1-2, right at and from Bethel, without it having developed gradually (Dan8:12) SINCE the GB dictatorial coup of 1976 greatly aided this infiltrative process "already at work" for some time.

It is too well designed to not be SYSTEMIC in the WHOLE Bethel global corporate plumbing, the billions are also "plumbed" for liquidation and seizure in the process. It is an elaborate corporate takeover, headed by the GB factional-to-full-control guidance front, aided from within and without by experts, that even has a literally perfect exit strategy devised in the re-arranged prophetic forecast all suited to divert attention from the real apostasy now, and deploy an active delusion of misapplied prophecy to cover the downfall later with the exit.

It is so "in broad daylight" "hidden in plain sight" it would even be misleading to call this a "conspiracy theory", it is, rather, what it is, apostasy, downfall and big big booty for the racket. There is no way that developed without inside design for years while completely ignoring rampant globalization since 1990 with zero prophetic connection to world government, and that takes purposeful subversion planning and implementation. The writing, the graphics, the hypnotic mix of superficiality and repeating repeats, the front men, the org herding structure and mentality, the re-organizational financial system, the whole thing is obviously engineered and has been headed that way for forty years in overdrive.

Thus when it does start, it will not be "the end of the world" as JWs will expect next, it will be the end of Bethel as will be very hard for JWs to accept and how it came about will also be a very big pill for JWs to swallow, but swallow it they will, they will have to - they will be left holding the EMPTY bag.