so this is the ultimate dilemma.
my wife and i are on the same page.
do we fade, in which all our friends, and i stress friends call us and feel sick and hurt and hurt and we feel guilty; or do we da so we tell the wt what we see as wrong as what we see that lead us to believe its a false religion; or do we df and let me or my wife let them catch us at some wrong doing and stop going to meetigs..... .
There had been a bro. in our hall who was always making interesting comments (another year away from 1914, etc., always something - we're both rather intelligent, so I was probably the only one that he dared talk to like that).
Because I was doing an unknowing (to me) fade, and I ended up in a blindside JC, I couldn't talk to him.
And then I ended up here after.
If I had been here prior, I would be feeling out my friends first before deciding anything else.
she said, "so, what made you decide to study this book?
at this point, she opened with a prayer.
"...and some decide that such questions are best left to religious leaders and teachers.
It is probably on here somewhere, but was reading Matthew yesterday.
The ONLY directive that COULD be applied to JW work Mt. 28:19 (Mt 24:14 is a prophecy, not a directive), which directive is to baptize in the "name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit."
How would Miss K say JW's measure up when comparing Jesus' words with the actual 2 questions asked at baptism?
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one of the anomalies of the disfellowshipping process is the common situation when someone who is unscripturally divorced remarries.
in these occasions , the instruction is to always disfellowship the individual , regardless of repentance or attitude - what is referred to as a honeymoon df in elders jargon.
hence you have the (to me) bizarre situation of privately reproving a child molester , rapist or murderer one week and disfellowshipping a newly remarried middle aged sister who has been divorced for 20 years the next week.
Someone recently posted that when a person is DF'd, they are "dead to God."
If they are dead, should not their spouse be free to marry someone else?
( Serious question )
this is a great example of the difference between the watch tower society approach to life and the power of one person to change the world for the better.. the game of chess is the example!.
here is what jw's are taught:.
chess has been a game of war since it originated...a play substitute for the art of war....a danger of stirring up competition with one another even developing hostility towards another, something the bible warns christians to avoid doing 1973 awake!.
War, hostility, violence.
I always wondered why chess tournaments had security that rivalled G-20 summits. ;)
this is a great example of the difference between the watch tower society approach to life and the power of one person to change the world for the better.. the game of chess is the example!.
here is what jw's are taught:.
chess has been a game of war since it originated...a play substitute for the art of war....a danger of stirring up competition with one another even developing hostility towards another, something the bible warns christians to avoid doing 1973 awake!.
Thanks for the post.
Chess has probably saved my remaining life.
Hopefully, it will help my children's.
Did anyone read Margaux's story?
the more i read the gospels the more i get the feeling that jesus warns about organized religion or those that overbear on your faith telling you completely how to worship god.
let's say luke chapter 12 is talking about the f&s.
does vs 45 on mean that the f&s can turn bad so to speak?
Mt. 24:48 reads "if THAT slave".
To me the explanation given in 2013 has given a lot of pause for thought.
There is ZERO discussion as to whether or not the slave, the GB, has acted evilly, beating his fellow slaves. (Should we start the list and risk crashing this website and maybe even the internet with overload?)
Instead, it is argued that the slave has not stopped giving food.
Which then makes the slave "hypothetical."
The word hypothetical is used ONCE in the whole WT Library when talking about an illustration or parable.
so, we continue to face mounting challenges with 607 vs 587 (20 year differential), and the generation dying out.. therefore, after a personal (420 free - honest) research and revelation, it would appear that 587 is the correct launch date.. with respect to the 7 times, russell had been influenced by john a. brown into using a year of 360 days, when prescience would most surely indicate that at the time of discovery (2014) one would use the number of days of that respective calendar, i.e.. 365 1/4 days, an additional 5.25 days per year.. so, 7 x 5.25 = 36.75, which, using the biblical principle of rounding down, is 36 years.
(a day for a year).. adding the 20 year differential to the 36 years now gives us 56 years, which when added to 1914 ce, brings us to 1970 ce.. when we ask the god google, the significance of 1970, it tells us that earth day began 4/22/1970 (note not 4/20).. and who came to the aid of the woman (rev.
was it not the earth?.
The real question is: "Apocalypse Delayed was published in 1985. What have I been doing for 29 years?"
so, we continue to face mounting challenges with 607 vs 587 (20 year differential), and the generation dying out.. therefore, after a personal (420 free - honest) research and revelation, it would appear that 587 is the correct launch date.. with respect to the 7 times, russell had been influenced by john a. brown into using a year of 360 days, when prescience would most surely indicate that at the time of discovery (2014) one would use the number of days of that respective calendar, i.e.. 365 1/4 days, an additional 5.25 days per year.. so, 7 x 5.25 = 36.75, which, using the biblical principle of rounding down, is 36 years.
(a day for a year).. adding the 20 year differential to the 36 years now gives us 56 years, which when added to 1914 ce, brings us to 1970 ce.. when we ask the god google, the significance of 1970, it tells us that earth day began 4/22/1970 (note not 4/20).. and who came to the aid of the woman (rev.
was it not the earth?.
I'm reading Apocalypse Delayed.
It doesn't say why Brown chose 360, but he went from 604 BCE to 1917.
Barbour thought Brown was 2 years off, and went to 1914.
Russell was convinced with Barbour's reasoning, and kept it after their split.
I like the comment in the Revelation Climax book regarding the overlooked 0 year factor:
"Providentially, those Bible Students had not realized that there is no zero year between "B.C." and "A.D." Later, when research made it necessary to adjust B.C. 606 to 607 B.C.E., the zero year was also eliminated, so that the prediction held good at "A.D. 1914."
So, it's not wrong light - it's just bent. And science has demonstrated that light can be bent.
JeffT, if you have demonstrated repentance, you may be reinstated, but your tithe rate will be 30% during probation.
