Posts by aniron

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Governing Body claims title to Kingdom Halls and Assembly Halls

by garybuss in

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governing body claims title to kingdom halls and assembly halls.

i'm told this is what the new "organized" book says about real estate on page 16: "what then are the "belongings"?

these are all the spiritual assets on earth that have become christ's property in connection with his authority as heavenly king.

aniron

"What then are the "belongings"? These are all the spiritual assets on earth that have become Christ's property in connection with his authority as heavenly King. Included are facilities at the headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses, along with branch offices, Kingdom Halls, and Assembly Halls worldwide."

So lets see then 15 years ago the congregation I was in raised £160,000, to build a new KH. Plus we borrowed money from the WT fund, to which we had been contributing for years and was charged interest on. We pay for the upkeep and maintenance, just spent £25,000 on repairs, redecoration and new heating system.

But it still doesn't belong to the congregation!!

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Daniel's Prophecy, 605 BCE or 624 BCE?

by Little Bo Peep in

hello all, i've been reading your site for a couple of years now, and have found, for the most part, it to be very helpful.

i must say, at first i was very "scared" at what i might find, but contrary to what i grew up learning, there is a "wealth" of information outside of the watchtower organization.

i haven't attended meetings for about two years now, and like many i've read about, have spent many hours researching, telling myself "i'm not wrong for searching", and doing more research.

aniron

Scholar

Why are you such a bad loser?

It doesn't go your way so what do you do, you take the typical Watchtower line.

Call everyone else a liar, cast suspicion on peoples honesty, except your own precious misguided Watchtower organisations views.

For Gods sake for once in your life be HONEST.

Beats me how the hell you can live with such a negative dishonest way of thinking.

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Will humanity EVER outgrow God?

by nicolaou in

firstly let me say that i am not trying to offend believers - i was one for most of my life.

nor is this a discussion about whether god/religion is a 'good' or 'bad' thing, that argument will rage forever.

what i'm asking is really a simple question;.

aniron

Here's something I have often pondered.

They are always keep saying that one day beings from another world will make contact with us.

What if they do and we discover that they worship a God, shall we say, what if they believe in a Creator. Very similar to peoples belief on Earth of a Creator.

How would that affect us?

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Daniel's Prophecy, 605 BCE or 624 BCE?

by Little Bo Peep in

hello all, i've been reading your site for a couple of years now, and have found, for the most part, it to be very helpful.

i must say, at first i was very "scared" at what i might find, but contrary to what i grew up learning, there is a "wealth" of information outside of the watchtower organization.

i haven't attended meetings for about two years now, and like many i've read about, have spent many hours researching, telling myself "i'm not wrong for searching", and doing more research.

aniron

Scholar

Lets face it you have been found out and you just can't accept that you are wrong.

Hence, I am now unable to get a true opinion from him

Are you now saying that Jenni is a liar, or do you mean I can't get the opinion I wanted off him.

All you have shown is that you are nowhere near a true "scholar" . You are typical of the Watchtower if the answer doesn't go your way then it must be wrong and start blaming everyone else accept yourself.

Heaven knows how you got a BA and MA in religious studies, as you claim, they must have been out of a cornflake packet. Because you certainly don't display any of the attributes a true scholar would have.

The only attributes you do display are a closed mind, arrogance and self-rightouesness, perfect for being a JW.

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Children Given Blood Covertly.

by Englishman in

just recently, i've been in some business discussions with a paediatrician who works away in a large city hospital.

we've got on pretty well, and, our business negotiations having come to an end, we sat down this morning to have a cup of coffee and a chat.. somehow or other, the subject of jw's came up.

the paediatrician then told me that he/she had already had several encounters with jw's and was aware of the wt's stance on blood and their permitting of certain substances being used.

aniron

Englishman

I have had similar told to me by a friend who was a theatre sister, after I had left the JW's.

She said quite regularly when a JW was having an operation whether a child or adult, blood would be on standby. If the surgeon thought the patient was losing to much blood it would then be given.

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JWs & Medical ethics on BBC Radio 4 now.

by scotsman in

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8-8.30pm

aniron

SF

The program was not about the beliefs of JW's but about the ethics the medical profession must think about when treating such patients. Whether they are JW's or some other belief that does not allow a certain course of treatment.

Whether not the doctors or nurses agree with the patients belief it is not up to them to change that person religious belief. Their dilemma is will the treatment they give save or kill the patient. The case discussed, basically was either treatment they gave was dangerous. If they gave treatment without blood, the patient could die. The JW patient requested alternatives be used instead of blood. But the doctors, nurses knew that using the alternatives would just as much hasten death, maybe more so than not using blood. In respecting the patients beliefs it put them in a dilemma in that either way they choose it would mean the persons death.

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Can someone explain Ezekiel 4:12-17. Did God approve of eating Human feces?

by booker-t in

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friends

help me posters out there.

my atheist cousin insist that the bible is full of contradictions, and lies and he uses ezekiel 4:12-17 to try and prove that jehovah is just as sick and demented as satan the devil.

he showed me these scriptures where jehovah told ezekiel to bake cake using human feces but ezekiel refused to do it.

aniron

12 Eat the food as you would a barley cake; bake it in the sight of the people, using human excrement for fuel." 13 The LORD said, "In this way the people of Israel will eat defiled food among the nations where I will drive them."

14 Then I said, "Not so, Sovereign LORD! I have never defiled myself. From my youth until now I have never eaten anything found dead or torn by wild animals. No unclean meat has ever entered my mouth."

15 "Very well," he said, "I will let you bake your bread over cow manure instead of human excrement."

16 He then said to me: "Son of man, I will cut off the supply of food in Jerusalem. The people will eat rationed food in anxiety and drink rationed water in despair, 17 for food and water will be scarce. They will be appalled at the sight of each other and will waste away because of [ a ] their sin.

Dung as fuel; so the Arabs use beasts' dung, wood fuel being scarce. But to use human dung so implies the most cruel necessity. It was in violation of the law ( Deu 14:3 23:12-14 ); it must therefore have been done only in vision.

Implying that Israel's peculiar distinction was to be abolished and that they were to be outwardly blended with the idolatrous heathen ( Deu 28:68 Hsa 9:3 ).

Ezekiel, as a priest, had been accustomed to the strictest abstinence from everything legally impure. Peter felt the same scruple at a similar command ( Act 10:14 ; compare Isa 65:4 ). Positive precepts, being dependent on a particular command can be set aside at the will of the divine ruler; but moral precepts are everlasting in their obligation because God cannot be inconsistent with His unchanging moral nature

cow's dung--a mitigation of the former order ( Eze 4:12 ); no longer "the dung of man"; still the bread so baked is "defiled," to imply that, whatever partial abatement there might be for the prophet's sake, the main decree of God, as to the pollution of Israel by exile among Gentiles, is unalterable

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Either Jehovah made a mistake....or Moses did.

by gumby in

in leviticus 11:6, it tells us that the rabbit chews the cud.

they don't chew the cud.. in leviticus 11:20 it tells us that insect walk on four leggs.

they don't......they have 6 leggs.. why the problem?.

aniron

But many insects do walk on four legs.

Though they have six legs, when walking only four at a time are touching the ground.

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144,000 going to heaven, based on what??

by truth_about_the_truth in

let's face it, most jw's believe that there is clear biblical evidence that shows that only 144k will go to heaven and rule as kings during the 1000 yr reign.

when examining this topic without the aid of anything but the bible itself, it paints quite a different picture.

you would need to make some blind assumptions to come to the wt conclusion regarding this topic.. jws take it for granted this scripture rev.

aniron

If the Watchtowers teaching that the 144,000 were filled in 1935 is correct.

How come that Jesus, the apostles and the immediate followers couldn't get 144,000 converts in 1,800 years, but the Watchtower got 6 million in 125 years?

Why is there only one judgement period from Jehovah to test the endurance and worthiness of the 144,000 before they are guaranteed of eternal life. But the "other sheep" have to endure through this life, survive Armageddon, get through the 1,000 year millenium, then pass a final test before they are counted good enough for eternal life? Why is salvation easier for the 144,000? WHo you would think seeing they are going to heaven would be tested far more.

The JW's teach that when a person dies they have paid for their sins. How will the "Great Crowd" who survive Armageddon pay for their sins since they will never die but go on living through the millenium.

So the non-JW who dies today has paid for his sins. Armageddon comes etc. He is resurrected in the "new system" sinless. But the JW who has gone through Armageddon still has his sin. So who will be the superior one, the one with sin or the one without.

Another thought the WT teach that Jehovah cannot deal directly with anyone who has sin. In that case does that mean the resurrected sinless non-JW will be able to deal with Jehovah, while the still sinful JW cannot.

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What were your reasons for not liking the ministry school?

by LongHairGal in

i dropped out years ago because i couldn't stand getting together with sisters i didn't like to do a talk.

i hated it with a passion!!

i do realize that you did learn but what i resented was that the sisters were inflicted on each other in a way that i don't think the brothers were.

aniron

I grew to dislike the TMS in the time before I left, because the Elder who was made TMS overseer, couldn't string a sentence together if he tried. He was a most unarticulate person, mispronounced words constantly, spoke in a monotone. Why they appointed him I do not know.

First I must say that the TMS at the KH gave me the ability to put together a talk and be able to get up and give it. Which I have put to good use, at work and when I've been asked by various groups/churches to speak about the JW's.