Posts by opusdei1972

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DAILY TEXT / Matthew 4:8 :I'm offering you all the kingdoms of the world

by raymond frantz in

hi guys this is my new post ,about matthew 4:8,9 .let me know what you think.... im offering you all the kingdoms of the world.

opusdei1972

It means that, according to this Gospel, God gave to Satan all the kingdoms of earth, and the earth is flat.

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God supported Neco instead of His faithful king

by opusdei1972 in

if you read the chapter 23 of the book of 1 kings, you will note that josiah was one of best kings of judah.

he did many good things in favor to yahweh-worshipping.

let's read:.

opusdei1972

Phizzy : You said:

"So the writer had to make up the words neco is supposed to have said."

But, if the writer did that, why did God let this writer misrepresent Him?....It seems that God is not worry about the accuracy of the Bible accounts. Think about it Witnesses !

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God supported Neco instead of His faithful king

by opusdei1972 in

if you read the chapter 23 of the book of 1 kings, you will note that josiah was one of best kings of judah.

he did many good things in favor to yahweh-worshipping.

let's read:.

God supported Neco instead of His faithful king

by opusdei1972 in

if you read the chapter 23 of the book of 1 kings, you will note that josiah was one of best kings of judah.

he did many good things in favor to yahweh-worshipping.

let's read:.

I have posted this topic because I have read in other Forum that "highlighting apparent contradictions does not advance the cause of the Gospel at all". However, this is not an apparent contradicton. We have more than "apparent contradicctions" in the OT, we have moral problems.

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God supported Neco instead of His faithful king

by opusdei1972 in

if you read the chapter 23 of the book of 1 kings, you will note that josiah was one of best kings of judah.

he did many good things in favor to yahweh-worshipping.

let's read:.

opusdei1972

If you read the chapter 23 of the book of 1 Kings, you will note that Josiah was one of best kings of Judah. He did many good things in favor to Yahweh-worshipping. Let's read:

And Josi′ah took away all the abominations from all the territory that belonged to the people of Israel, and made all who were in Israel serve the Lord their God. All his days they did not turn away from following the Lord the God of their fathers. (2 Chronicles 34:33)

However, something happened and Josiah died because he fought against an ally of God:

20 After all this, when Josi′ah had prepared the temple, Neco king of Egypt went up to fight at Car′chemish on the Euphra′tes and Josi′ah went out against him. 21 But he sent envoys to him, saying, “What have we to do with each other, king of Judah? I am not coming against you this day, but against the house with which I am at war; and God has commanded me to make haste. Cease opposing God, who is with me, lest he destroy you.” 22 Nevertheless Josi′ah would not turn away from him, but disguised himself in order to fight with him. He did not listen to the words of Neco from the mouth of God, but joined battle in the plain of Megid′do. 23 And the archers shot King Josi′ah; and the king said to his servants, “Take me away, for I am badly wounded.” 24 So his servants took him out of the chariot and carried him in his second chariot and brought him to Jerusalem. And he died, and was buried in the tombs of his fathers. All Judah and Jerusalem mourned for Josi′ah. 25 Jeremiah also uttered a lament for Josi′ah; and all the singing men and singing women have spoken of Josi′ah in their laments to this day. (2 Chronicles 35:20-25)

As we read, Pharaoh Neco decided to go to Carchemish to fight against Babylon as an ally of Assyria, but Josiah tried to impede the intentions of Neco, then Josiah was killed by Neco, who was backed by God. .....I can't understand it. If Josiah was a faithful follower of God, who was representing God's organization on earth, why did God support Neco, instead of His faithful king??

Furthermore, if God supported Neco, God was supporting Assyria against Babylon. But some years later, God supported Babylon against Jerusalem and other cities. Accordingly, the Bible here shows a God who is politically capricious. Doesn't it represent a moral problem for the Bible believers?

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Fading, Stopping Meetings, DA or DF'ing, Thoughts on Getting the Hell Out Of There

by OnTheWayOut in

so i read some threads about why someone remains a ministerial servant or elder, or why they are still active jw's.

others are telling stories about how they cut back slowly, and some of them got removed as ms/elder/pioneer or whatever.

yet others tell of how they just up and stopped going one day.

opusdei1972

My wife, who was an eternal student, told me many times that she had doubts because she could not let our son die for the blood ban. One, day I decided to do my homework for the first time. As Peter Gregerson did. I decided to use my brain and to be honest with myself. So, I studied the history of the Society, its flip flops, etc. Then I understood that when I accepted "the truth" I was very naive and ignorant about many thinks, though I had a university degree. Then I began to understand why I was angry about those talks against higher education, and so on. My inner soul always knew that those talks were evil tactics of mind control, but I thought that I should avoid independent thinking and criticism to be obedient to God's Channel. The Society taught me that when I had doubts and a critical view, it was because I was influenced by Satan. Now I know it was a stupid thinking.

Well, after knowing the truth about the Truth, I wanted to leave this lie as soon as possible. After three months without attending the meetings, the elders visited me. I told them what I discovered in the past editions of the Golden Age, The Finished Mystery, about vaccination, organ trasplants, etc. They asked me for writing a Letter of resignation, but I did not. However, the elders adviced the congregation to avoid me for apostasy.

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How The Bible Was Invented- 8. The Tribe of Judah (Or was it?)

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

the blessing of jacob was likely judean written as a retraction to the former in the late 700s.. .

33:22of dan he said,.

the judean text (blessing of jacob) says about dan:.

opusdei1972

HowTheBibleWasCreated What is the source you are using? Is there any book where I can find your approach? I am interested in understanding the motives behind the stories told in the Pentateuch. I believe that there must be a core of truth, but it is difficult to know.

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reading COC for the first time

by This is my tigersuit in

opusdei1972

I was aware about CoC 12 years ago. At first, I rejected to read it, because I thought that Ray was an apostate and an Evil man. I thought it because the Watchtower taught me that if an anointed falls into apostasy, he would be against the Holy Spirit, his sin would not be forgiven. One day, after defending the Watchtower faith against the Catholic faith of my cousin, he quoted me some portions of the book, so I had to read it. However, after a carful reading I noted that CoC exposed some interesting aspects of the Watchtower policies and legalisms that I had criticized in the past. Some years later, after a deep research on the history of the Watchower, I had to admit that Raymond was totaly right by exposing the falsehood of the religion. One of the books who helped me to see the fraud of this cult was Apocalypse Delayed. When I read that RUtherford was a drunken, I could not believe it, but I confirmed it by reading his diatribes against Walter Salter and Olin Moyle.

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The problems Bible believers have with Atheists is the burden of proof is on the Believer and we just do not have enough proof.

by booker-t in

i recently posted a post telling this board my athesit coworker stumped me with questions about the validity of the ark story and i just cannot stop talking to her.

i love hearing her side and point of view which in the past i would have dismissed as "satanic" thinking.

she has some very good questions and i am having a hard time answering them.

opusdei1972

If we define God as the Perfect Being, we can't know him through the verses of the Old Testament, because it contains contradictory statements about the personality of God. So, if we want to believe in God, with must to search Him through other source. Although I don't know which, I admit.

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If you had the audience of the GB, what is your #1 question you would ask them?

by Darth Fader The Sequel in

there are a million of them and mine is by no means the most important question to ask them if i only had one shot at it.

but, i have always wondered what kind of bs excuse they would give as an answer to this question: "brother goober bum, given that there are both male and female partakers here on earth who claim to be of the 'anointed' and plan on being of the 144,000 ruling with christ in heaven for eternity........ why are the female 'anointed' treated as submissive, second class citizens and why is their opinion on doctrinal matters, matters of teaching and reproving, anything at all.... why are they not recognized while here on earth even though you claim that jesus has selected them to become angels to rule with him?

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opusdei1972

If you read some Watchtower Apologists in internet, you will note they use better arguments than any governing body member.