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Narkissos
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A Question for former bethelites?
by eisenstein inmy sister and i were talking the other day and she told me that when you are first assigned to bethel they make you sign a letter of secrecy or something like "secret service agreement"?
i was just wondering if this is true.
if it is true then don't you agree that it is a hot bed for paranoia?.
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Tree of life
by BluesBrother inlets face it, the bible does not say and so any explanation is little more than speculation.
those of us here that believe the bible has value can only reason on it as we see fit.
personally, i do accept the scripures but i do not see the need to take all of genesis quite as literally as the wt does.
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Narkissos
Some interesting comments and links on a similar thread:
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Hiram built Solomon's temple.
by peacefulpete inother threads recently touched upon the temple description in the ot.
i've made comments to the effect that the temple designs mirrors that of other cults of the region.
additionally i wondered if the temple ever existed in the 8th-9th century at all, given the lack of archaeological evidence for it and the mythical characters and obvious embellishments in the story of it's construction.
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Narkissos
Peacefulpete: I have no problem agreeing with you on the so-called Solomon Temple. I have only limited and second-hand knowledge in archaeology, but I guess at least the Hezekiah (716-687) and Josiah (640-609) stories requires one royal temple (whatever its size) in Jerusalem. About the city itself, I think the old Jebus tradition may well retain something of its origin. From what I have read there are traces of fortifications on the Jebus / City of David hill as early as the 18th century BC.
Gumby: according to mainstream historical criticism the Egypt-Exodus-Wilderness-Conquest tradition is mainly literary creation (as the United Kingdom of David-Solomon).
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Great site on Synoptic Relationships
by peacefulpete inthe synoptic problem home page
the synoptic problem concerns the literary relationship between the first three "synoptic" gospels of the new testament: matthew, mark, and luke.
the synoptic problem home page surveys proposed solutions and provides a clearing-house for materials related to its resolution.. introduction: synoptic problem faq; annotated bibliography; chronology tools: detailed bibliography; table of synoptic parallels; synopsis with case studies of 89. external evidence: contents, i cen: luke; ii cen: papias, justin, irenaeus; iii cen: clement alex., origen; iv cen: ephraem, epiphanius, jerome, augustine.
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Gita: GThomas cannot be equated with "Q"; all that can be said is it has a lot in common with the tradition ascribed to "Q" and might derive from it at an early stage.
For Q - Thomas parallels, see http://www.misericordia.edu/users/davies/thomas/thq.htm
Peacefulpete
How much thought have you guys given Goodacre's Case against Q?
Certainly not enough as far as I'm concerned. What I'm most reluctant about is his ultimate resorting to oral tradition. I'm pretty convinced that at least some of the non-Markan synoptic material involves written source(s), the extent and content of which is admittedly hypothetical. -
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Hiram built Solomon's temple.
by peacefulpete inother threads recently touched upon the temple description in the ot.
i've made comments to the effect that the temple designs mirrors that of other cults of the region.
additionally i wondered if the temple ever existed in the 8th-9th century at all, given the lack of archaeological evidence for it and the mythical characters and obvious embellishments in the story of it's construction.
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Narkissos
According to archaeological evidence, Jerusalem is a very old city; it certainly had several sanctuaries. When it became the capital of Judah (not Israel!) one of those had to become the royal temple. What I hold as legendary is the "United Kingdom" picture, with Solomon, the "great" Temple, extended territory... and subsequent schism to account for the reality, i.e. the two historical kingdoms of Israel (Samaria) and Judah (Jerusalem). As for the Biblical description of this fictional Solomonic Temple, Peacefulpete's explanation is quite compelling to me. Perhaps some retrojection from the post-exilic Temple (and its fantastic variant in Ezekiel) may be involved as well in the detail of the description in 1 Kings 6-7.
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Great site on Synoptic Relationships
by peacefulpete inthe synoptic problem home page
the synoptic problem concerns the literary relationship between the first three "synoptic" gospels of the new testament: matthew, mark, and luke.
the synoptic problem home page surveys proposed solutions and provides a clearing-house for materials related to its resolution.. introduction: synoptic problem faq; annotated bibliography; chronology tools: detailed bibliography; table of synoptic parallels; synopsis with case studies of 89. external evidence: contents, i cen: luke; ii cen: papias, justin, irenaeus; iii cen: clement alex., origen; iv cen: ephraem, epiphanius, jerome, augustine.
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Gitasatsangha: The "two source hypothesis" basically implies that "Q" is the source for the common material in both Matthew and Luke, besides what in Matthew and Luke derives from Mark (or ProtoMark in further developments of the theory). In a very simplistic way, what is in both Matthew AND Luke but NOT in Mark is supposed to come from Q. This is the basic idea, but the reality is certainly more complex as:
1) a number of elements from Matthew (or ProtoMatthew) and Luke (or ProtoLuke) have crept into the final redaction of Mark;
2) Q itself has probably undergone an editorial process and changed in time;
3) Matthew and Luke may not have taken exactly the same texts from Q (so a text specific to Matthew or Luke may actually derive from Q);
4) Mark (or ProtoMark) may have known Q (or ProtoQ) but used less of it than Matthew and Luke.
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Narkissos
IMHO the question is not What is a Super Jehovah's Witness -- rather, Who is Super Jehovah's Witness?
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Great site on Synoptic Relationships
by peacefulpete inthe synoptic problem home page
the synoptic problem concerns the literary relationship between the first three "synoptic" gospels of the new testament: matthew, mark, and luke.
the synoptic problem home page surveys proposed solutions and provides a clearing-house for materials related to its resolution.. introduction: synoptic problem faq; annotated bibliography; chronology tools: detailed bibliography; table of synoptic parallels; synopsis with case studies of 89. external evidence: contents, i cen: luke; ii cen: papias, justin, irenaeus; iii cen: clement alex., origen; iv cen: ephraem, epiphanius, jerome, augustine.
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Narkissos
Bookmarked! Thanks Peacefulpete...
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Markan optics
by Leolaia inin one of the strangest stories in his strange gospel, mark records the two-stage healing of a blind man by jesus in bethsaida (mark 8:22?26).
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first healing action of spitting on the man?s eyes and laying hands on them is only partially successful; the man now sees something, but what he sees is people who look like walking trees (8:24).
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Narkissos
Illuminating!
Other interesting references (sorry if you quoted and I missed them):
Sirach 23:19: His (the adulterous man's) fear is confined to human eyes and he does not realize that the eyes of the Lord are ten thousand times brighter than the sun; they look upon every aspect of human behavior and see into hidden corners.
And, directly influenced by Daniel 10:6, Revelation 1:18 etc.: his eyes were like a flame of fire...
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23 psalm
by galaxy7 inin the 23 psalms where he says;.
and i will dwell in the house of the lord forever.
where did david think he was going to dwell?.
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all the psalms are prophetic and speak of the Messiah
Really?