Posts by peacebaby

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Wearing Makeup will doom you to burn in HELL!!!

by happyout in

according to the restored church of god:.

there is so much more that could be said on this subject that i could go on and on and fill 100 pages!

every woman who wants that deceitfulness and wickedness removed from her heart is going to remove that physical colored dirt from her face, once and for all!

peacebaby

GodisRight - I believe they get it from the example of Jezebel... and there are scriptures about 'painted ladies' in Psalms and Proverbs I think. I think the danger lies in going extreme either way. 'Balance' is my new favorite word! After leaving the WT - I've come to think of all religions as too extreme... and a little scary! You couldn't call me 'high maintenance' by a long shot, but I do wear a little make-up and color my hair - which they also don't allow. It really is all vanity - but I'm certain that God doesn't judge us on a little make-up - He forgives us for being vain, don't you think? My neighbors belong to that church and they shun us - lol - too, too worldly for them I guess - but they're pretty rude with it at times.... I'm sure I came off rude at times as a dub - it's hard to be humble when you have all the RIGHT answers! Actually I think they started shunning me because I was a JW, but now they don't talk to us at all and I've been out 2 years! Lol. Oh, well....

~Peace~Selam~Shalom~

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Doctor who?

by IP_SEC in

anyone else looking forward to this besides me?.

i sure hope arrmmaaggeeddoonn doesnt come before this comes out.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/scifi.shtml

peacebaby

We're fans - used to watch it on our local PBS station, but it hasn't been on for a long time now. Got a hoot out of the background and props obviously made of cardboard, tin foil and lots of duct tape - hilarious!

PB

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Does anyone have this WTS book

by hijack in

babylon the great has fallen god;s kingdom rules.

the above book is full of wrong dates.

i can remember studying that one.. it was studied at least twice at the book studies because the gb body said to study it again since new information had come to light and the book needed to be studied again.

peacebaby

No, sweetie, you've got the dates all confused(I know - it is confusing!) - Russell predicted the end of this system would be finished in 1914("God's date, not our own"), with Christ already present in 1874, I believe it was... Russell died in 1916(?) still waiting for Armageddon, then Rutherford did some figurin' of his own to come up with 1914 as the beginning of Christ's invisible rule, the 1919 inspection and choosing of the FDS, the 1925 resurrection of the 'Ancient Worthies', and all his other miscalculated trumped-up ~~'troofs'~~ trash.

Numbers don't lie, but liars can fudge the numbers...

Will somebody please provide 'hijack' with a link to the time-line on this stuff? I have no need, really, to keep it in the forefront of my mind... not like it comes up in everyday conversation - lol. Once I found out it was all garbage I tossed it aside and went on to new things... But it keeps coming up... lol.

His Peace to all -

~Peacebaby~

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Do you fall back to blaming the "Wicked Sytem of Things" for everything?

by AK - Jeff in

as witnesses it was the 'catch all' phrase.

we blamed illness, crime, economic probs, job issues, marital probs, and whatever else came down the pike as the fault of the wicked old system.

recently a former friend of us, a long time witness had a stroke.

peacebaby

Satan's a really handy scape-goat - part of 'The Blame Game' that started aeons ago. Yeah, it is pretty cliche` - the end-all answer to all of life's woes. But I blame the never-ending bad choices of people for the way the world's going down. "Man dominating man..." Circumstances play a part, but really... we all stand alone with our own choices, even though the playing field is never level. And we now have to suffer from an accumulation of others' past bad choices. Things are tough all over. (another cliche`.)

What if the Kingdom, on a spiritual level, is available now to anyone who wants it? Now that's a new and exciting thought - we don't have to wait(look forward to? Eeeshh!) for the destruction of some physical 'system' - it's an entirely different plane. I'm seriously looking into that.

~PEACE~

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How responsible is Jesus' advice at Matthew 19:12?

by scout575 in

jw
friends

matthew 19:12 says: " for their are some eunuchs which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and their are some eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom heaven's sake.

he that can make room for it, let him receive it.

" whilst these words of jesus have been taken figuratively by most christians, many, particularly in the past, have taken them all too literally and castrated themselves, thinking they were following jesus' advice.

peacebaby

Or what about this: "If then, your hand or your foot is making you stumble, cut it off and throw it away from you; it is finer for you to enter into life maimed than to be thrown with two hands or two feet into the everlasting fire. Also, if your eye is making you stumble, tear it out and throw it away from you; it is finer for you to enter one-eyed into life than to be thrown with two eyes into the fiery Gehenna." Mat. 18:7-9

Some people DO understand that Jesus' teachings were highly symbolic - otherwise we'd be seeing lots more one-eyed, gonad-less, paraplegics.

Danny - A blessing in disguise, huh? One less idiot in our gene pool - LOL!

I agree, Shazard - He reinterated time and again that his message would be understood by "those who have eyes to see, and ears to hear..." The ones who didn't understand he told to "...go and find the meaning of this..." His was a spiritual message that cannot be put into any other context - as you see, put in a literal context it really doesn't make sense. Or is even off-putting, like the ones who quit following him over the 'eat my flesh, drink my blood' thing - that, of course, was symbolic, but they just didn't 'get it'.

So, scout - it's not literal advice, it's a lesson in symbolism - fleshly 'man' vs.spiritual 'man' - that's what it's all about... Yes, Jesus was the utmost example of responsibility, but he can't be responsible for those who don't dig deeper to 'get the meaning'. Words are only lines and dots on paper - the spirit of the Word holds all truth - the deeper, true spiritual meanings. Grab your shovel and dig deeper, friend!

~PEACE~

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witness vs. cathlics

by aoxo in

i attended an ex witness group for the first time a couple of weeks ago and a comment made was that jw's are just like any other religion (cathlics, lutherans) in that when someone breaks away from it the same reactions are made from the persons family and ex members such as not talking to them, claiming that the new religion is wrong, dismissal from the congregation because of wrongdoing (fornication) and other cultish stuff that the jw's inflict on us ex's.

is anyone else from another religion that can verify this?

i dont think this is true.

peacebaby

Did somethin' wrong and my links don't work - sorry.

Can anyone fix that for me as I can't seem to find 'edit'?

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witness vs. cathlics

by aoxo in

i attended an ex witness group for the first time a couple of weeks ago and a comment made was that jw's are just like any other religion (cathlics, lutherans) in that when someone breaks away from it the same reactions are made from the persons family and ex members such as not talking to them, claiming that the new religion is wrong, dismissal from the congregation because of wrongdoing (fornication) and other cultish stuff that the jw's inflict on us ex's.

is anyone else from another religion that can verify this?

i dont think this is true.

peacebaby

I think it depends on the people, not the religion. Some people find it easier to hate than to love... some don't want to hate, but do because their religion tells them to.... and others can't seem to muster the hate, no matter who or what or when or where.

I first heard of 'ex-communication' , same as 'disfellowshipping', from a Catholic...

Check out these links - first is a Rick Ross page - a news item about ex-Mormons with references to JW's and others - and the Beliefnet main page. These db's for other religions really opened my eyes - I had no idea they struggle with the same things - like screwed-up, un-Biblical doctrinal teachings of their respective churches that it is demanded they obey whether they believe it or not. WTBTS is only one of MANY... scary.

[url]http://www.rickross.com/reference/mormon109.html[/url]

[url]http://www.beliefnet.com/boards/boards_main.AllCategories.asp?Category=129[/url]

~PEACE~

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Which came first? (Prediction of 1914/1915 question)

by FaithfulDoubter in

ok, so quotes.watchtower.ca is down, but i had did have a question for you watchtower historians out there.

was the 7 times prophecy from daniel used before or after the watchtower used the pyramids to predict 1914/1915?

when was the date first mentioned, where, and in what matter?

peacebaby

Might try Googling 'millenarianism'?

I'm pretty sure I came by this info on this board... but now don't know where...

Edward Bishop Elliot [1793-1875] England, was probably the first one to mention the date 1914 vin his treatise "Hours with the Apocalypse", first published in 1844.

John Aquila Brown, England - in 1823, in his book "The Even-Tide", for the first time explained the 'seven times' of Daniel 4 to mean 2,520 years.

James Hatley Frere[1813] - was first to write on the 2,520 years, but did not conclude the times of the Gentiles(or the 'seven times') to be a period of 2,520 years.

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Not DA'd, Not DF'd - but pretty much Disowned...

by Ingenuous in

i just came from what will probably be the last conversation i'll ever have with my father.

earlier in the day, i'd talked to my mom and she asked what i was up to - translated "what are you doing with yourself since you aren't going to meetings or out in service?

" i told her i'd been discussing the bible with an informal group of people and reading older wts literature.

peacebaby

I'm so sorry for all who have gone through this nonsense - and it really doesn't make any logical sense at all.

I'm VERY fortunate to have never had family in the org. Losing my friends was bad enough - having them think I am now being led by Satan is horrible, but we will all survive, not on our own strength, though.

I had talked to the PO and CO about my 'problems'(they called it) with shunning, the UN/NGO and Silent Lambs... all lies! ... and evidently they were just going to let me 'fade' while I wait on Jah for answers(which truthful answers He has already given us btw). And they made sure that I'd not talked to anyone in the cong. about my 'problems', which I hadn't at that point. They said some things, verbatim, that your dad repeated - it's the inculcation of the WT - and they have it memorized. It's in their heads, but hopefully it's not etched in their hearts - there IS hope. I hope.

The words of your father echoed the same words my best 'friend' - laid on me after I told her I just can't attend the meetings with her... I haven't been there for 4 years, but all of a sudden she wanted to 'save' me. I was not cautious with the things I said, as I knew she and I shared an unconditional love and friendship... I should've gotten the hint when, in our conversations I mentioned 'the spirit of Christ' and she looked instantly smug and haughtily proclaimed - "That's not in MY Bible!, like she'd just defended herself against Satan... yes, I ASS-U-MEd way too much. "Thank you very much for ruining our friendship! I can't even be around you anymore because you don't even worship the same God as I do." Now I am 'not of the same sort'... Jehovah is only found within the walls of your nearest KH ya know... What a narrow view and mind-set. And I subscribed to it for too long...

The day after my 'friend' screamed at me how disgustingly demonized I was - she called. I first thought - oh, wow, she's re-thunk it... Well, she'd been thinking alright - that I should contact the PO, "it's only fair", and let him know that I no longer wish to be called a Jehovah's Witness. How nice of her to worry so and take on my conscience as her own - how loving. It really upset me for several days - another fly in the ointment, as I was sure she was going to 'tell'. But that was a month ago and I haven't heard another word. I felt like I was being forced to write 'the letter', but now I'm calmer and think - let them throw me out of the synagogue if that's what they wish, I won't bow to their 'theocratic' crap any longer. If I am df'd they'll have to do it 'in absentia' - without me. There will be no letter for their files to prove how righteous they were in ousting me. And I would love to threaten them with a lawsuit for slander if I hear I'm an apostate... but oh, well... whatever..

Someone had some very good advice - forgive them all and pray for them because they are blinded and don't see what they're doing. Forgive and forget is much easier for me than you, dear sis. It's your parents - it will be very very hard to find yourself separated from them, from their love and support. My heart goes out to you - it's the saddest scenario I can imagine. But... the light at the end of the tunnel is Christ. Stay close to Him and our Father, immerse yourself in the Word - take in all the love they have ASSURED you of, as a child of God. Your comfort will come from above, as you well know, and every tear will be wiped away, as every cry is heard.

Who knows - maybe it's God's plan that their ears and eyes will be opened to 'the big picture' - and you may have a starring role in that plan. Pray, dear one, and don't let your own heart be hardened by anyone's callous attitude. It's possible that, like us, their attitude will be changing for the better because some little thing you said really sunk in and got them thinking. With God all things are possible, and through Christ, all God's promises are "Yes!"

My very best wishes to you, Ingenuous. You'll be in my thoughts and prayers.

Peace and love... Peacebaby

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Trinity Quandary and Quantum Mechanics

by DannyHaszard in

'she blinded me with science' i luved that 80's hit

we don't know heaven,jesus could be god because he is omnipresent?

go ahead and attack my credentials,i don't have any to lose.i am a disabled carpenter with a 7th grade (jw minimal) education,and i think i will take this leap...

peacebaby

Don't know if I'm your 'peer' or not - I've 'peered' at(and enjoyed!) your website - does that count? But I'll add a thought, since you asked so nicely.... I recently watched a PBS program on quantum physics and it was very enlightening. To me, it is proof of the supreme intelligence of the Creator. It's what you 'see' that matters, not what you look at!

I don't accept 'trinity' or 'twinity' or 'only a son/angel' theories simply because they're human theories and man-made doctrines - still trying to put God into some kind of a box - trying to explain in human terms the unexplainable.

Coming out of the wt box, I abandoned everything except YHWH, and started over from there.

There seems to be insurmountable evidence in the Bible that 'Jesus' was and is YHWH, but not in the way(s) we try to explain it. But that doesn't stop theorists and theologans from trying... So, yes, I believe GUT - (in my gut) - the missing link in physics and theology, could be the answer - even thought the question, at this time, is still unanswerable.

Satan has done a fine job of obscuring truth thus far - leading us to believe we can know the unknowable, as we perceive ourselves to be highly intelligent. Our belief in a Creator, though, leads us to realize that we can't know it all and we have to trust in something we cannot know fully and can't even fathom the intelligence of.

I'm looking forward to being completely blown away by the true answers! I don't have the mental capacity to even conceive the truth - let alone accept it and adhere to it - yet. Until that time, my belief in God involves my complete trust in the One who has all the answers to all the questions ever asked from the beginning of time. I think that's what's at the crux of the trust issue - accepting the fact that we don't know, and can't know - yet.

Love and peace to you, Danny Hazzard.

peace, baby!