Posts by paradisebeauty

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Jehovah's Witness Leader: There's a 'Spiritual Dilemma' in Reporting Sexual Abuse

by defender of truth in

the article is a good summary to show people who are too busy to read the transcript.

the main points are covered, without jackson's waffling... this is my favourite quote:.

jackson also testified that while there havent been any particular discussion among church leadership about apologizing to victims of sexual abuse, its perceivable that they might consider doing so.

paradisebeauty

The Gb is bringing reproach on God's name.

I wonder how long will God stand them any more....

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Jesus is not Michael the Archangel here is why

by paradisebeauty in

one of the biggest missunderstanding and unbiblical teaching of the jw's is that jesus is michael the archangel.

here is what proffessor anthony buzzard has to say about this:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puqzffyxno0.

paradisebeauty

@ Vidqun

But even if he did hold the rank of angel at one time, that has changed. He has received a promotion and now holds the rank of king.

This is another flaw in jw doctrine - the Bible clearly stated that after the sacrifice and resurrection Jesus was elevated to a higher rank, received a "promotion".

But if Jesus was the first creation of God, in fact a co-creator, since all things were created through him, and after resurrection he turned back to life in heaven a became chef angel, what kind of promotion did he really receive. In jw view he already participated in the creation of the angels, he was already the first being created even before coming to earth.

Also, jw's fail to recognize a very important theme in Paul's letter - the new creation. The idea of new creation, new man, an eternal, indestructible being that never existed before and was new, new created by God and Jesus at the resurrection became the first born of this kind of being. In colossians 1:18 he is also named the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

Strangely, jw's admit that "anointed ones" will be a new creation. But there are so many verses that say the anointed ones will be made similar to or in the image of the resurrected Jesus. (2 cor 3:18, 1 cor 15:42-58, Romans 8:29, Romans 6:5). But still, jw's say Jesus was resurrected as an archangel, while the anointed ones will be a new creation.

This can not be, if Jesus is an angel, anointed ones will also be angels, and here you come in contradiction with Hebrews 2:5 that is analyzed by prof. buzzard in the video above. - the usual circle "logic" of the jw doctrine...

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Jesus is not Michael the Archangel here is why

by paradisebeauty in

one of the biggest missunderstanding and unbiblical teaching of the jw's is that jesus is michael the archangel.

here is what proffessor anthony buzzard has to say about this:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puqzffyxno0.

paradisebeauty

@ jhine

It depends on who you call the church fathers. Do you refer to the apostles or the "fathers of the church" that came after the apostles. If you refer to the apostles, they definitely have seen Jesus for what He was, a man not a God. They were Israelites and they believed in One God.

Jesus himself said the most important law was: Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, wthe Lord is one. 30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ - this is known of the "shema" and is the creed of the Jewish faith.

What Christianity today is failing is to see that the God of Christians is the same God the Israel has and Jesus is the Messiah that the Jewish people expect. Ask any Jew if they expect the Messiah to be God Himself or an incarnated angel.

As for the word "word" in John ch. 1, I wonder if you consider that "word" also refers to Jesus in the following verse:

Isaiah 55:11 - so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.

Jesus was so clear, He referred to Himself as the Son of Man so many times, how much clear could he have been?

He also said He was the Son of God, and CalebInFlorida explained above what this expression means for a person of Jewish faith - a human son of God.

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"Mediator" not Mediator, "Judge" not Judge... Watchtower word games

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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friends

as much as jesus is not the mediator of mankind but the "mediator" (supposedly a legal term), the watchtower has a similar word game with the word "judge".seems like deborah judged in israel, which, for every one of you apostate or worldly scumbags who don't understand word games, does not mean debora was a judge.

you see, deborah was a "judge".why is that?

because she is not listed on a list of 12 judges.

paradisebeauty

The watchtower has other word games, too:

- the bad angels "took human bodies" before the flood, while Jesus' life was supposedly "transferred" in the womb of Marry

- the presence of Jesus is an invisible "presence"

As a general rule, everything they do not like in the bible, it becomes "invisible", it has a "spiritual fulfillment" (so, invisible) and the words just do not mean what they say, but what the gb say they mean.

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Jesus is not Michael the Archangel here is why

by paradisebeauty in

one of the biggest missunderstanding and unbiblical teaching of the jw's is that jesus is michael the archangel.

here is what proffessor anthony buzzard has to say about this:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puqzffyxno0.

paradisebeauty

Nicolau,

Of course it is all about reality.

If you take the Bible as the foundation of your faith, the reality is in Hebrews 2:5 it clearly says that God did not put angels in charge of the world to come.

Actually all chapter one and part of chapter 2, clearly says that Jesus is not an angel.

So the Bible clearly says that Jesus is not Michael the Archangel. - this is one of the biggest flaws in the jw doctrine.

As for the preexistence of Jesus, yes, indeed, there are verses that could be interpreted as pre human existence. But those verses can also mean a preexistence as the plan of God. There are also verses that can be interpreted as a preexistence of the anointed ones (christians).

How about the verses that clearly talk about eternal fire? We all agree that eternal fire means destruction. Not literal eternal fire.

The same with the preexistence of Jesus, it means preexistence as the plan of god.

some other arguments are my comments above

Some really good arguments are in the video of professor Anthony Buzzard, you can watch it if you didn't do it yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUqzffyxno0

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Jesus is not Michael the Archangel here is why

by paradisebeauty in

one of the biggest missunderstanding and unbiblical teaching of the jw's is that jesus is michael the archangel.

here is what proffessor anthony buzzard has to say about this:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puqzffyxno0.

paradisebeauty

@ leaving_quietly

1 Thess 4:16 says "an archangel's voice", not "the archangel's voice", indicating more than one exists.
Daniel 10:13 calls Michael "one of the foremost princes", again, indicating more than one exists.

you are so right!

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Jesus is not Michael the Archangel here is why

by paradisebeauty in

one of the biggest missunderstanding and unbiblical teaching of the jw's is that jesus is michael the archangel.

here is what proffessor anthony buzzard has to say about this:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puqzffyxno0.

paradisebeauty

The jw's talk about the controversies that had to be answered, like: can a perfect human be loyal to God.

If Jesus was an angel before coming to earth, than, that controversy has not really been answered, was it?

Plus, the prophecy from Genesis says the seed of a woman had to destroy satan. If Jesus was an angel, was He really the seed of the woman?

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Jesus is not Michael the Archangel here is why

by paradisebeauty in

one of the biggest missunderstanding and unbiblical teaching of the jw's is that jesus is michael the archangel.

here is what proffessor anthony buzzard has to say about this:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puqzffyxno0.

paradisebeauty

One of the biggest missunderstanding and unbiblical teaching of the JW's is that Jesus is Michael the archangel.

Here is what proffessor Anthony Buzzard has to say about this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUqzffyxno0

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As a Matter of Conscience, I Am Resigning from the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses

by Sail Away in

after listening to the hearings of the australian royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse, i am no longer content to have simply walked away from the organization.

as a matter of conscience, i do not want my name linked with the organization in any way.

i know this letter has been posted previously, and i thank the author.

paradisebeauty

interesting, wonder if they will not make the announcement any more

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The Religion Of Rejection - And Now That Includes Me

by dubstepped in

due to some recent developments i find myself in a new place, and at this point i've lost all of my family and fri....oh that's right, i never really had any friends in the organization anyway.

just people that wanted something from me and a few people that i would invite to do things that occasionally said yes.

the recent rejections of me got me thinking, so let's take a rejection inventory.. i had to reject all of the holidays when my parents started studying.. i had to reject any worldly friends that i already had.. even family became rejected, and the new religion had some place in that.. i was rejected in school and bullied all of the time, not just because we were poor and i made good grades, but for jw reasons too.

paradisebeauty

True, the religion of rejection. They even reject things in the Bible. They "read" the Bible with closed eyes. They reject everything except the words of gov. body.

They are blind worshipers of men.

I understand your feelings of rejection. I felt like that, too in this organization. I began studying as a teenager and got baptized after a few years. What I noticed about people in this org is that women are mean to each others, at least they were mean to me, some ready to fake a friendship and after, ready to stab you in the back....

Some elders, are revengeful, they demand to be looked up to. If they sense you do not look up to them they will follow your every move to find something to show you the power they have.

Most jw's are jealous and gossipers. deep down they wish they had a good life here in this system, they wish they'd be rich, but do not do anything about it, and when they see someone in the cong who is living better than them, they are envious.