Urgh that is so distasteful. Unfortunately I used to let my child watch those awful brainwashing cartoons and she loved them :/ so know the one you refer to.
FeelingFree
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Service meeting week of November 3rd! How to indoctrinate children
by stuckinarut2 inoh yep...here we go..... this weeks service meeting has a part designed to show how children should be indoctrinated and manipulated into going "out in service".
the part first asks for the disturbingly corny cartoon clip to be played on the big screen at the halls: "lets go out in service!".
(if you haven't watched it yet, please go to jw.org and watch it....you simply won't beleive it until you see it!).
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Why don't parents of an abused child go straight to police, why go to an elder first??
by FeelingFree ini hope i don't come across as judgemental but having read a lot on the current child abuse cases and the different threads on here, i am left wondering why on earth a parent of an abuse victim would go to an elder with the problem first and not straight to police?.
as a parent myself i know that if anything like that happend to my child (this applies to when i was still an active jw as well as now) i would not hesitate in going to the authorities as soon as i found out, it wouldn't of crossed mine or my husbands mind to go to an elder.
maybe after we had reported it but definitely never as the first port of call.
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FeelingFree
The level of mind control they use, its a wonder anyone manages to break free from it! I never realised how bad it was until I left as I have always been exposed to a lot of negativity regarding the org by other family members, I could see what they were saying but still thought I wanted to part of it all. I was much more of a free thinker than most and it never went down very well lol.
Im finding all these abuse cases and cover ups very upsetting. Everytime I start to question my decision I just need to think about this subject and know that I cannot be part of something so disgusting.
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For the weaker moment
by Gorbatchov ini think we all have some time a weaker moment and miss the times we were regular witness.. to admit, i have some of these moments a year.. for these moments i have this point "i can't accect being part of.
a religious organisation that structural apeals child abuse cases".. then i'm finished with the moment.. the path is narrow.. g.. .
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Since The Bible Sponsors Disciplining Your Children Do JWs Say It Is OK Spank A Child?
by minimus inis it ok to spank your kids?
is it ok to discipline them using any force?.
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FeelingFree
These days I'm pretty sure it's up to the individual. There were a few people in our hall who became parents around about the same time as us and I remember having a discussion with one of the grandparents (who was an elder) a few months ago on this subject. I was saying I didn't feel that there was ever a need to use smacking when disciplining. I said I felt that it was wrong and there were plenty of other things you can do to correct your child. If you don't want your child to hit then you wouldn't tell them off by smacking them as it's a total contradicition and would be confusing to the child. He responded by saying all children need a good smack or they will turn out spoilt, it never does them any harm! This elder's son (who has just been made up as an elder himself) used to take his baby daughter out of the hall when she was crying but would put his hand over her mouth so she couldn't scream! I also saw him cuff his young son around the head a number of times :/
Another time I was talking to my friend who has a little one a couple weeks younger than mine about the fact that I had smacked my child whilst angry and felt really bad about it. She said her little one was always naughty and she was sure she didn't smack him often enough! True story.
Using the rod was sadly very much in evidence at our hall!
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Why don't parents of an abused child go straight to police, why go to an elder first??
by FeelingFree ini hope i don't come across as judgemental but having read a lot on the current child abuse cases and the different threads on here, i am left wondering why on earth a parent of an abuse victim would go to an elder with the problem first and not straight to police?.
as a parent myself i know that if anything like that happend to my child (this applies to when i was still an active jw as well as now) i would not hesitate in going to the authorities as soon as i found out, it wouldn't of crossed mine or my husbands mind to go to an elder.
maybe after we had reported it but definitely never as the first port of call.
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FeelingFree
Magwitch - Urgh that story turns my stomach, what a horrible man! That mother totally did the right thing. Yep if only more were like her.
Eyeuse - Screw the org!
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Why don't parents of an abused child go straight to police, why go to an elder first??
by FeelingFree ini hope i don't come across as judgemental but having read a lot on the current child abuse cases and the different threads on here, i am left wondering why on earth a parent of an abuse victim would go to an elder with the problem first and not straight to police?.
as a parent myself i know that if anything like that happend to my child (this applies to when i was still an active jw as well as now) i would not hesitate in going to the authorities as soon as i found out, it wouldn't of crossed mine or my husbands mind to go to an elder.
maybe after we had reported it but definitely never as the first port of call.
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FeelingFree
Exactly their stupid policies have actually made them look so, so bad. There must be thousands of other victims all over the world who have held their tounge until now and having seen all these other abuse cases coming out feel its time for the WBTS to get their justice.
I agree all these cases need national attention. JW's need to see the facts and where their hard earned cash is being spent. Not on counstruction and maintenance of KH's or furthering the preaching work nope... it's going on child sexual abuse court case settlements.
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Why don't parents of an abused child go straight to police, why go to an elder first??
by FeelingFree ini hope i don't come across as judgemental but having read a lot on the current child abuse cases and the different threads on here, i am left wondering why on earth a parent of an abuse victim would go to an elder with the problem first and not straight to police?.
as a parent myself i know that if anything like that happend to my child (this applies to when i was still an active jw as well as now) i would not hesitate in going to the authorities as soon as i found out, it wouldn't of crossed mine or my husbands mind to go to an elder.
maybe after we had reported it but definitely never as the first port of call.
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FeelingFree
Sir82 - "Evidently you were never a JW" Hah! I have come to the same conclusion myself quite recently, I think I knew for a long time but it distresses me to think too much about it and why I never did anything about it until now!
Legacy- I wasn't really sure whether to put this post up as I too didn't want to offend but thought it was a necessary thing to address. I really feel for any parent in that situation and I'm sure they all thought what they were doing was for the best. I expect many wish they acted differently now.
However you would think protection of your children would be paramount to any parent, even if it means going against all you have been taught or even believe. I would risk anything, turn my life upside down to make sure my child was safe.
The way the Borg threaten, control and prevent independant thought and action is disgusting.
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Why don't parents of an abused child go straight to police, why go to an elder first??
by FeelingFree ini hope i don't come across as judgemental but having read a lot on the current child abuse cases and the different threads on here, i am left wondering why on earth a parent of an abuse victim would go to an elder with the problem first and not straight to police?.
as a parent myself i know that if anything like that happend to my child (this applies to when i was still an active jw as well as now) i would not hesitate in going to the authorities as soon as i found out, it wouldn't of crossed mine or my husbands mind to go to an elder.
maybe after we had reported it but definitely never as the first port of call.
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FeelingFree
I hope I don't come across as judgemental but having read a lot on the current child abuse cases and the different threads on here, I am left wondering why on earth a parent of an abuse victim would go to an elder with the problem first and not straight to police?
As a parent myself I know that if anything like that happend to my child (this applies to when I was still an active JW as well as now) I would not hesitate in going to the authorities as soon as I found out, it wouldn't of crossed mine or my husbands mind to go to an elder. Maybe after we had reported it but definitely NEVER as the first port of call. My thoughts would be that I would need to keep my child protected and safe no matter what the consequence and they would not be safe in that environment any longer as the trust had already been breeched. I would do everything in my power to keep my child away from that disgusting individual and never allow a meeting between the two.
I just don't understand what is going through the minds of the parents who do this and surely they need to bear some responsibility when a matter like that doesn't get reported to the police? I don't know maybe I'm missing something? Maybe I was always too independent in my thinking? In any case just don't get it.
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$13.5 million to a San Diego man
by truthseekeriam inhttp://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135m-awarded-to-bible-teacher-gonzalo-campos-alleged-abuse-victim-jose-lopez-281031832.html#.
the national organization for jehovah's witnesses was ordered to pay $13.5 million to a san diego man who says he was abused as a child by his bible teacher.
nbc 7's rory devine reports on oct. 30, 2014.
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FeelingFree
Hah its all coming out now isn't it? The more people who claim their rightful compensation the more victims will all come out of the woodwork. This could get VERY messy for those evil men at the WBTS.
I just hope JW's everywhere get to hear of all these horrific cases and that it might make them think something is seriously wrong in their brainwash world.
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New ExJW here for the first time.
by WideAwake7 ini am here for the first time ...but have enjoyed reading others experiences that i feel i can relate too.
i used to be an elder for more than 20 years .
i have successfully faded with my wife and children.
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FeelingFree
Hey welcome WideAwake7. We had a sort of similar situation this year, its was just before me and my husband finally left the org. We were invited to a wedding of one of my childhood friends who my family had known for years, my brother who left in his late teens was also invited as he and the groom had been extremely good friends when they were growing up.
My brother wasn't sure whether to go as the last time he had been in a KH was my own wedding 8 years ago, in the end he decided he should as they had obviously made the effort to include him when most witnesses wouldn't bother. Basically we went and everyone was lovely to him, nobody ignored him and he said he felt very comfortable. The worrying thing though he said was that when he was in the KH he said it felt like the most natural thing in the world for him to be and that it seemed "normal" to be there! This coming for an atheist!
I think people were genuinly pleased to see him as it was our group of old friends but I also think that they were hopeful that this wedding might bring him back. I had made quite clear beforehand to some who mentioned it that it would def not do that, and it didn't! But in general he had a really good time and wasn't made to feel awkward with pressure to return etc. None of them know yet that we have stopped going too now :/ not sure how to deal with that one........
I think as these people are your genuine friends and obviously really want you be at their wedding, I wouldn't worry about what other people think or say, as it's a wedding im sure they will just want things to go smoothly for the bride and groom. I expect you will get "lovebombed" quite heavily but would imagine conversation wont get much deeper than "oh its so lovely to see you, how have you been?" etc. At wedding's even witnesess are more relaxed, especially if alcohol is involved! I find hanging out with any non-JW family that may attend is a good way to ensure you have a good time! We had some on our table who were a real laugh.
Anyway i hope you have a good time and look forward to hearing your story.
FF x