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  JW's and Retirement Planning

  by JaNayNee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my mother is a jw.

  i studied for several years and ultimately could not digest what was being served.

  for the last 20 years my mother has done nothing to prepare for retirement.

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  We are currently watching our entire family suffer from lack of savings over the years and zero higher education. They are now in their late 60's to early 70's. They are working still. Hard jobs too. The younger ones still in the borg? They are still living with parents and being subsidized by other JW family members. Remember....if you Pioneer, are a need greater and doing all the good JW tasks that Mommy and Daddy tell you, we'll "help" you out. Once the money runs out, these young ones will be in the same boat as those now in the 60's & 70's. Sad, you can see it coming.

  "Over the years my Mother has told us that her spiritual family is more important to her than her biological family"

  I have been told the same thing above. It's hard to believe it actually comes out of their mouths.
  
  
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  Today’s Watchtower Study (December ‘19 issue

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  “parents train your children to love jehovah “.

  the title says it all really, but par 6 has this piece of advice.. “jesus likened our time to “the days of noah,” and there is no doubt that we are living in “critical times hard to deal with.” (matt.

  24:37; 2 tim.

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  "The title of an article from 3/1/88 Watchtower is indelibly etched in my brain, "Responsible Childbearing in This Time of the End".

  We had a JW friend who found out that she was pregnant when this article came out. She was devastated. Crying and all. What should have been one of the happiest times in her life, she was feeling like she had done something wrong. Sad!
  
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  Expect 90% of pimi's to go down with the ship here's why

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been feeding my very pimi brother tidbits and clippings of all the csa issues coming to light the last five years and all the org's business dealings of hundreds of closed halls congs dissolving etc.

  and reminding him of all the failed prophecies etc etc.

  although he would listen and acknowledge.

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  Yep, our family reacts the same way. Loyalty to the end!!! That is what cults do!!!
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  Circuit Overseer to Answer My Questions + Concerns...or Not

  by Research in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello all, i'm 'researching', a jw who is in the first steps of taking a look at their beliefs.. i've semi-recently (about a couple weeks ago) heard about the sexual abuse cases (pennsylvania attorney general’s investigation request) and then the arc in 2015. this lead to a deep investigation, which lead to many questions arising.

  a jw friend of mine suggested i be careful (due to apostates) and ask the brothers.

  so i typed up my questions + concerns and emailed an elder my mother has known for a long time.

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  "The Elder did admit to my mother, who didn't believe me at first, that they keep records/a file of serious wrong-doing, seal it, and store it."

  So much for forgiving up to 77 times. Hypocrites!!

  Everything against WT is "apostate." Even a worldly thing, such as the ARC. They put their fingers in their ears and go.....lah lah lah. How can you even try and reason with unreasonable people? We quit trying. Life is too short!

  I admire your persistence.
  
  
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  Brazen conduct

  by road to nowhere in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i just noticed the clam illustration of "reject brazen conduct" a young man in service walking past 2 others drinking beer and playing cards.

  i know elders who do both.

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  Spot on Phizzy!
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  'Phone call from Ex JW,

  by Phizzy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  a guy i was great friend with in my teens 'phoned me out of the blue today, and brought back a lot of fond memories, he was df'd, because he was a very naughty boy lol, but as he said, as is common with a lot of us exes, he took a long time to grow up.

  he spoke of my parents, who despite being jw's, were lovely people, they took him in to our home when his mum was in hospital for some weeks, he also spoke of the good times we had as kids, and how his parents were good to him, and made him what he is today despite being jw's.. we sometimes do not give credit where it is due, my parents made me a lover of truth, but it is real truth i espouse now of course.. perhaps this kind of view of our upbringing is more positive than concentrating on all the downsides of what is basically an evil cult ?

  looking at the (very few) positives can perhaps help us heal ?.

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  If it wasn't for "the truth" (not so true), I would not be married to my wonderful spouse and have great kids. I also had a great up bringing. I was one of the fortunate ones.

  I just can not condone the upper crust of the Borg and it's decisions and unloving practices. I believe they have "conduct unbecoming a Christian." The minions follow along blindly, I hold them accountable also.
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  A Better View of Trauma

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i ran across this short essay and thought it was worth passing along.

  trauma is not your fault, but healing is your responsibility.

  what happened to you was not your fault.. it was not something you asked for, it was not something you deserved.. what happened to you was not fair.. you were merely collateral damage on someone else’s warpath, an innocent bystander who got wrecked out of proximity.. we are all traumatized by life, some of us from egregious wrongdoings, others by unprocessed pain and sidelined emotions.

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  So true!

  Thank you for sharing.
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  My email to JW Following Trolley Conversation

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a few weeks ago i had an really interesting conversation with three male jws who were loitering around a trolley at the west end of princes street in edinburgh.. i managed to completely avoid giving any hint about my jw past and focussed on why they thought the bible was a reliable moral guide.

  i used the subject of slavery to illustrate my concerns.. one of the three was in his early twenties, knew a lot about his own beliefs but nothing about the real life and it was difficult to get through his thought-bubble.

  the second one was in his 60s and not very bright.

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  "He humbly admitted he had no answer to my challenge"

  We have received similar responses from family on subjects they can't answer us on. They just either don't speak to us anymore or just don't raise any JW subjects when we are around. We were told by a couple of our family members that, "we are just too smart." Yeah, too smart to remain in a cult.

  
  
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  Why the Oxygen Special will not work like we think it will...

  by HiddenPimo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  within the very documentary is a reason i think that jw's for the most part will not wake up even if they watch this program.

  the one lady actually saw as her family sat behind the abuser in court supporting him despite the established fact that he had abused their very own child.. this shows how deep the indoctrination is.

  i am not saying that some won't wake up, but the majority will carry on, not even because they think these things are lies but because they will look past that at all costs to side with jehovah.

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  "Rome wasn't built in 1 day. The Watchtower cult will unfortunately not go away immediately but it is losing its influence, control and credibility even amongst the die hard members."

  Spot on krismalone!

  We have family members well into their 70's who do the bare minimum. They have no education, no savings and no retirement. They were the generation that was told that they would not graduate from high school. Are they bitter? Hell yeah! They barely attend the meetings or assemblies (dial in only) and no longer participate in field serve us. They are broke, so I don't think they are donating. They attend the memorial once a year and that is about all they do. Are they still counted? Yep! They hang onto the belief that Jah will see all they have done in the past. They really don't know anything about the teachings (overlapping generation) and they know nothing about the child abuse cases, the GB, the ARC , etc. They bury their heads in the sand and hope that when Armageddon comes, Jah will let them enter the Kingdumb.
  
  
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  Those Who Can't get the OXYGEN Episodes

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  someone has uploaded both episodes to google drive.

  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l0ubvtriw6ytinnenmsmxpefotphconi/view.

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  Thank you Kim and Mike!!