Posts by Tenacious

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Be effective or people will die

by Odrade in

my husband and i have been out of the org for quite some time, but still find that old ideas and values come up and bite us on the ass.. lately, i've been plagued by an increase in the frequency and severity of my nightmares (which have always been an issue,) so i've begun to dream journal.

in just a few days, this realization cropped up.

i can't save people.. i've been blogging again recently.

Tenacious

The WT uses the house-to-house work as a means to gauge member spirituality. How nonsensical is that? I don't recall any biblical scriptures citing examples of keeping track and organizing congregational meetings. Didn't Paul travel from congregation to congregation not answering to any governing body?

If Jehovah knows the state of people's hearts and know whether they will indeed listen and blossom, why are we required to cover the entire world territory guided by spirit beings in order to find these people that are inclined to listen?

Just doesn't make any sense and I now realize that the WT uses it as a means to "promote" spiritual men.

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Higher Education... Some ideas for those that think it is too late

by adjusted knowledge in

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so many witnesses lost the opportunity to pursue higher education in their youths.

perhaps it took decades for many here to leave and now feel it is too late.

degree you will also earn multiple certifications from other agencies:.

Tenacious

@ adjusted knowledge - this is a great topic as sadly many witnesses' have been robbed of their time and opportunity for a higher education.

I'm also a college graduate pursuing further higher education. It is never too late but costs really need to be considered and planned for.

Too many for-profit colleges out there on tv-land being promoted as good choices.

To anyone looking to pursue higher education please be sure that the college you are applying at is accredited not just nationally or through the department of education but rather through the independent body of accreditation for your specific major such as for business the college or university needs to be accredited by the AACSB (Association to Advance Collegiate Schools of Business).

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What Made You Finally Wake Up?

by Tenacious in

hello to all.

i've been on this site for a couple of weeks now posting here and there but have not had the opportunity to read about many of the regular members and what led up to their leaving the wt.. i understand that some of you (i'm part of this club) may not be able to disclose many details and i can appreciate that.. i'd love to hear what was it that finally made you renounce what is and hopefully soon to be "was" the wt.. i truly look forward to having good discussions.. thank you to all for your kind participation.. .

Tenacious

The following thread is where I fully 'woke up', after coming on here to defend the Watchtower at first. I guarantee it'll make you think.

Initially I would visit this site with the same intention.

Naturally I did not register but rather tried to prove or disprove what was being posted.

That was the beginning of the end for me and continuing to believe in the WT teachings.

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What Made You Finally Wake Up?

by Tenacious in

hello to all.

i've been on this site for a couple of weeks now posting here and there but have not had the opportunity to read about many of the regular members and what led up to their leaving the wt.. i understand that some of you (i'm part of this club) may not be able to disclose many details and i can appreciate that.. i'd love to hear what was it that finally made you renounce what is and hopefully soon to be "was" the wt.. i truly look forward to having good discussions.. thank you to all for your kind participation.. .

Tenacious

Thanks for everyone's comments. It really helps me appreciate the reality of what the WT really is. And how I'm not alone in my logical and irrefutable conclusions on so many fronts. It's really refreshing to be able to speak so freely with you guys without having to be afraid of being disciplined for exercising my right to question as to the veracity of the teachings just like the Apostle Paul asked that we do.

Some years back I watched a narration of CoC on YouTube and that sparked a sincere interest in proving or disproving what was being said. Stupid me I asked another Witness and this person discounted everything as a satanic trap. One thing that this Witness said really caught my attention and made me pause and reflect even deeper. I was told that even though the WT did change many teachings due to a better understanding (new light), the core teachings were correct and have never changed (hellfire, heavenly calling, field service, etc.).

This Witness is a lifelong member that is older and has way too much invested to see anything in a negative light. They are completely closed off and will not allow rational thinking. The WT can print out something incredibly against human logic and this person would do it without batting an eye.

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What Made You Finally Wake Up?

by Tenacious in

hello to all.

i've been on this site for a couple of weeks now posting here and there but have not had the opportunity to read about many of the regular members and what led up to their leaving the wt.. i understand that some of you (i'm part of this club) may not be able to disclose many details and i can appreciate that.. i'd love to hear what was it that finally made you renounce what is and hopefully soon to be "was" the wt.. i truly look forward to having good discussions.. thank you to all for your kind participation.. .

Tenacious

Hello to all. I've been on this site for a couple of weeks now posting here and there but have not had the opportunity to read about many of the regular members and what led up to their leaving the WT.

I understand that some of you (I'm part of this club) may not be able to disclose many details and I can appreciate that.

I'd love to hear what was it that finally made you renounce what is and hopefully soon to be "was" the WT.

I truly look forward to having good discussions.

Thank you to all for your kind participation.

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I tripped into a JW literature cart

by diana netherton in

i wasn't looking where i put my feet, and i almost took the cart out!

anyway, i stopped and chatted with the people for a bit.

three women and a man -- an elder and his wife.

Tenacious

Most JW's are sincere, kind, and loving. I say most because those that are appointed such as Elder's know full well many things they are "secretly" privy to don't add up yet they continue the charade in order to maintain their position of respectability and power.

Sadly, the longer a JW stays in especially when "new light" is provided, the harder it will be to leave. I've always accepted the "new light" as a progressively way for JW's to fully understand the meaning of certain passages and prophecies. This is not the point of "new light". The point is to correct a mistaken view of the GB by blaming it on Jehovah and thus keeping their roles as spiritual leaders intact.

I'll always maintain a kind and sincere attitude when running across the JW's. It's like Jesus said to Jehovah, "Don't blame them for they do not know what they do."

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TYRED OF SPELING ERURS? SIK OF BAD GRAMMUR?

by Terry in

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Tenacious

Although new here, Terry makes a valid point.

While I don't see a problem with minor misspellings that do not detract or adversely affect the substance of the discussion, more in-depth and considerably long comments do merit careful attention to spelling.

As a community we have to remember that there are members that are still trying to adjust to life outside of the JW mindset. Then we have those that are perusing the subjects trying to disprove the JW detractors or apostates. The point is that there are visitors to this site that are still quite sensitive to discussions regarding their faith in the organization and could potentially be deciding whether to leave, stay, or completely reject some arguments presented in these forums.

It is a great disservice to the innocently trapped to post comments with little regard to them on such important and sensitive subjects.

Nobody not even Terry can realistically expect everyone to hop on board and start being scholarly in their comments but just a tad bit of sincere consideration can go a long ways to making those on the fringe see the reality of the organization.

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Think this may help new members and lurkers in the back ground

by AMO in

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think this may help all new members here and any lurkers in the back ground,who may be struggeling with the conscience.

i'am not a jw but when i came across this short vid my jaw was on the floor.

how can some body get away with such blatant lies and deception was beond me at the time, now i know differently.

Tenacious

X for later. Big props to AMO.

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Congregation "Bible Study"

by Blackfalcon98 in

so i was riding along with an uber dub.

the conversation veered to mentioning how one elder gave a very encouraging comment (he is the of loving type).

the issue was no one remembered exactly what the comment was, so i said "i know it was during the book study, i mean the congregation bible study.

Tenacious

....."Nowadays the WTS rarely completely quotes anything from the bible, only snippets and citations."

The sad truth about it is the less the members are exposed to the context the better. Many texts are taken out of context in order to fit their narrative.

All information is presented not in a educational setting but more of a repetitive format where answers become irrelevant as they are merely repeated, processed, and then stored subconsciously.

Classic cult indoctrination.

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Understanding our CURE from ADDICTION to the Watchtower cult.

by Fernando in

would it be fair to say many of the posts on jwn are in essence about this?.

if we could better understand what worked for us, would we be better able to help others?.

where do basic human needs ("met" by the cult) end, and where does addiction start?.

Tenacious

Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs fits the devoted JW profile really good. That is a sad assessment.