i had this 'friend',she also goes to the weekly meetings of jw's.. actually we were good friends, but she had no respect for me sometimes.i just ignored that at the beginning,but she kept disrespect me,what began to irritate me.. i asked myself is she worth a further friendship and the answer was..no.. the past month i had a little fight with her and realized that i should quit the friendship, and i did.. my message for those who don't know: even within the congregation you have to look good who is worth a good friendship and who isn't.. better have 1 good upbuilding friend than 10 fake friends.that is a life-lesson to me.
You're right,but it's hard to find good friends in my environment who are not JW's.
Which environment is that?
Hard to find good friends who are not JW's. That is crap and you know it.
Come on, get out of that box that you are encircled to.
Wait.
I guess since you are a JW, you're afraid to that because that means losing your sheltered JW life.
i've seen this term used a lot (love-bombing) re: new jw studies.
the implication is that this is some kind of nefarious wt strategy, but, the more i think about, the less i agree.
at least, it's not an intentional strategy, i think, just something that happens that works to their advantage (getting new recruits in).. i grew up as a jw.
LoveBombing.
All cults do that so that you stay, get baptized and being enslaved by their rules.
That's nothing but a hypocritical BS from all cults.
They show a nice and personable attitude toward others. That is a "Theocratic Warfare Tactic", showing others by example how "blessed" they are in other to recruit others.
They show love and care for others. That is another "Theocratic Warfare Tactic" to get people to join and stay.
Claiming to nonbelieversthat they are friends or they can be friends, but when that nonbeliever asks for help, they ain't there to help.
the technical literature on cults reckons that stress is a big factor in cult conversion.. a lot of cults induce varied emotional states within recruits,.
they artificially generate conflict in the minds of the recruits.
in fact, of the ones ive seen, most of them do in some way or other!.
Agree with Amazing too..the dubs use the same tactics as the Mormons and the Moonies. Its only harder to see and more subtle because the dubs dont force us to live in communities away from the rest of the world. That is one of the most brilliant tactics of the dubs. They can control us just the same as the other cults while we are still out in the world.
Well said, flower.
i have been reading all the stuff i see on this place for a while.
i am a jehovahs witness in good standing in my congregation.
i just need to come on in here and ask for a little advice from anyone who might know what i am feeling.
mbst,
Can you try to look at it from her point of view as well as understand her point view?
You may be able to find the answers to your question(s) that way.
first expulsion: adam and eve.
first disfellowshipping: cain.
biblical practice, got any questions?
I will not share in this forum the reason for my judicial committee meeting. I will tell you that it was biblical.
You bring the subject on DF'ing being biblical and make some examples.
You are Df'ed and don't want to say what is it for, yet you say it's a biblical DF'ing. Hey, we don't read mind therefore, we don't know if it's biblical.
So your DF'ing is biblical??? Really??? How so??? What makes it a biblical DF'ing? What makes the JC decide if it is biblical??? How does the JC know whether the DF'ed person is repentant??? Do they read mind??? I am curious. Last I check, men cannot read minds.
Since you started this post in justifying DF'ing as being biblical, let us know why you were DF'ed. I am interested in knowing what sins causes a biblical Disfellowship. Did you break their rule of not being on this site and communicate with non-JWs and ex-JWs? and in the process, you got caught doing that?
first expulsion: adam and eve.
first disfellowshipping: cain.
biblical practice, got any questions?
YoYo or MavMan,
What were you disfellowshipped for?
Was it a Biblical DF'ing?
JWs disfellowship unrepentant sinners.Are you unrepentant of what you did?
Please enlighten us since you touched on the subject
dear post reader.... i was that young and pretty sister you may have seen...the one with "all those kids".
the one who stuggled to raise her children alone.
the one who was rarely considered as "wife material" because she was "damaged goods".
((((((((((((((Anne Marie)))))))))))))))))
My heart goes to you for going thru a terrible ordeal and being judged for it as if you were the culprit. I am sorry about what happened to you, but I am glad that you told us your story.
You are on your way to healing, keep it going and don't give up hope as it is one of the best things and the best things never die.
Welcome to the board.
hugs
Ajax
how common it is in usa that a jw has a legal firearms?
i have no recollection of wtbs publications handling this matter specifically.
of course general attitude towards firearms in usa is different from europe but so is also legislation.. it is just that once being a concsientious objector i cannot, even after almost 40 years, imagine myself having one.
Abbadon,
How about this:
"The mentality in America is different from Europe". What works for Europeans doesn't necessarily work for Americans.
Also, even if you don't like it, it is in the Constitution in America that people has the right to bear arms. Whether you agree with it or not, it is there since 1776. So, people here will bear arms anyways. Since there has been too much proliferation of firearms in America, banning them right now will be a very BAD idea. If you think banning firearms will deter crime, forget it:
- Criminals will get their weapons illegally whether they will steal it from someone else or smuggle them into the country.
- More crimes, such as rapes, burglaries, robberies, any form of assault or mugging, will be committed as criminals will know nobody can carry and own firearms.
- More dependency on the police, increase in police vigilance. That will create a police state. If you've been under the watchful eye of the Watchtower Society, a police state is no different. I don't want to live in a police state. I've been there, done that and it is none of their business what I do with my spare time. A police state will always infringe on individual freedoms and rights.
Those Gun Ban laws affect mainly the law-abiding citizens.
You said that you travelled extensively to America. Have you live there for a long period of time?
Here in America, if you choose not to own a firearm, you have every right to do so. No one is going to force you to own a firearm. I own firearms by choice and I will live with that responsibility and choice. I also own firearms because I am in marksmanship.
The view that all Americans own firearms is a big fallacy: I personally know people and friends that don't own firearms and they are from different backgrounds and creed.
When it comes to (legal) firearms ownership in America, it depends on which state are you living: In the NorthEast (New England, NJ, NY), it is more difficult to own firearms than in the South (Florida, Texas, Georgia, Alabama).
how common it is in usa that a jw has a legal firearms?
i have no recollection of wtbs publications handling this matter specifically.
of course general attitude towards firearms in usa is different from europe but so is also legislation.. it is just that once being a concsientious objector i cannot, even after almost 40 years, imagine myself having one.
Abbadon,
It is funny how Americans are criticized by Europeans when it comes to gun ownership when more than HALF the guns (and the best made) owned by Americans come from European Countries. Especially, Law Enforcement Agencies in America uses mainly European Brands:
- SIG-SAUER is a Swiss/German consortium supplying pistols to Law Enforcement and Commercial. Last I heard, Switzerland and Germany are part of Europe.
- Heckler & Koch is German and supplies to both Law Enforcement and Civilian.
- Glock is Austrian and also supplies to both Law Enforcement and Civilian. Austria is an European country last I heard.
- Beretta, Benelli and Tanfoglio are Italians. Italy is in Europe.
- FN (Fabrique Nationale) is Belgian and supplies to military. Belgium is in Europe.
- CZ (Czeska Zrobojska) is Czech. Czech Republic is in Europe.
- Makarov is Russian, but also made in former Warsaw Pact Countries and all these countries are in Europe.
The list goes on. There are more European brands of firearms on American market than domestic. Since law enforcement and military uses them because of their reliabilty, it's no surprise that civilians will use them too.
On the subject of firearms, it is an European country that made the most influence in the design of a lot of firearms today: Germany.
They were the first one to create the sub-machine gun. They were the first one to create the Assault rifle.
It is also an European country that produced and exported the most firearms to the world: Belgium.
So before you Europeans start criticizing us about our gun ownership, keep in mind that your countries are making money exporting your firearms to us and to the rest of the world. Also, keep in mind that when America was first created, there is an Amendment in our constitution to allow us the right to bear arms and all the firearms companies know it.
I am not anti-gun. In fact, I am very pro-gun as I own firearms.
my 2 cents.
i have frequented this site quite a bit, but i now have finally joined.
since i seen many other people's posts i will tell.
i grew up with my mother in the "truth" but my father was not.
Welcome Aboard, DH!
Glad that you're using your mind, thinking and researching.
I bet you being a Metallica Fan, you can relate the JWs with songs like: "Master of Puppets", "The Unforgiven" and "Kill'Em All" (for their Armageddon views).
Anyways, Welcome!!
