*Sighs in relief*
Great, I was worried that the elders were going to try to get me to go out on Christmas day...
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up until a few years ago......every dec. km had a part encouraging everyone to go in the ministry on the holidays.......christmas day, etc.. no one ever got too excited about it in our cong.
.........it was pretty much a joke to everyone even when commenting on it during the meeting part.. that no longer seems to be the case..........haven't seen any parts like this for a few years now......i guess they've given up completely.. the meeting part usually included some "fine experiences"......but i have heard exactly the opposite from some who actually tried it one time.. have any of you ever went in service on christmas day?
*Sighs in relief*
Great, I was worried that the elders were going to try to get me to go out on Christmas day...
i used to get a kick out of how some people used to push the elder's buttons.
sisters would wear a dress that was 1 inch above the knee just to get the brothers going.
or brothers would grow something a little longer than a mustache......what did you do to exert your independence??
I rebelled in ways that were too subtle for most to notice. I read fantasy novels, saw R-rated films and a lot of stuff they would have called spiritism, and started exxpressing my spiritual turmoil through my writing.
i'm not talking about a victory which might include welcome reforms on blood policy, shunning or the handling of abuse allegations.
what i want to know is what we would consider to be the victory.. it is unlikey in the extreme that the various corporations of the watchtower empire will ever be closed down so, realistically what can we hope for in the long term?
say 30 - 50 years?.
I'd say that absolute victory over the Watchtower would be not just the organization collapsing, but all their money and assets being redistributed among all the people they snubbed and hurt.
has anyone here read this book?
i'm curious to learn your reactions to it.
i'll also give a quick overview for those of you who've yet to read it.. travels is a non-fictional account of crichton's own person travels, both geographical and spiritual.
Here's another guide on how to see auras.
this past weekend a relative came over with these ultimate fighting dvds that he bought but he wouldn't sit down and watch city by the sea because it is rated r.
they can be so dense and hypocritical!
when i pointed out to him that his ultimate fighting dvds are un-rated but in my opinion it is far worse to watch people fighting for pure entertainment purposes than it is to see a rated r movie that teaches a great life lesson.
An elder once told me that Bugs Bunny encourgas juvenile delinquiency and murder.
i've already exited the jws in mind and heart, and have read many comments from everyone about the book, so didn't really see the need to buy it for myself.
however, after reading something here on the forum, i decided to order it (and the tao of pooh and siddhartha.
) a super-dub sits two desks away from (she and her husband knew ray and his wife, had tea with them in their room when he was on the gb, etc.
Speaking of Ray Franz's books, I read through In Search of Christian Freedom but not Crises of Conscience. Should I buy that as well?
when you were a jw,.
did u feel guilty about throwing out old copies of the watchtower even if you had the yearly bound volumes?
my mom won't do it.
Yeah, I used to feel bad whenever I threw them out. Now, I look forward to it. :) I especially enjoyed gathering up those atrocious Isaih books we spent three years studying and burning them.
im am a 19 year old male who is thinking of leaving christianity for another religion.
i am looking at jw first and before i really start studying it i want to know how the religion works on homosexuality because i have a boyfriend and dont want to leave him.and would i be able to go date and have sex with someone not in the religion.. thank you .
wilton
The frequent denunciations the WTS directs at homosexuals is especially outrageous considering how they KNOW that there are thousands of celibate homosexuals within their ranks suffering in silence under the guilt and burdens heaped upon them.
this is part essay, part whinge.
a whinge is a british expression for a bitchfest.. i am in pain, a great deal of psychic turmoil.
partly, i think, it is due to the weather; the gloom of a pittsburgh winter is nothing to sneeze at (although, achoo, the flu is going around).
I used to always think that the devil and sin were totally unnecessary, a tragic accident. But over the past couple months, I've come to realize that evil and suffering are necessary. It's not that we need to experience the bad to appreciate the good, that's nonsense. No, the truth is, that without polar opposites, life could not exist. Without evil, there could be no good. Any condition, any idea or concept, any creature that choses a path, cannot exist without its opposite. However, love and the joy of living are beyond good and evil. When you can look at your enemy and see yourself, and accept it, purpose becomes that much clearer.
some people left the organization because of the united nations scam, 1975, the "generation" change, child abuse issues, not feeling the "love" of the brotherhood, etc.
in all honesty, is there something----that if it hadn't happened----would have kept you still in?
for example, if the child abuse issues were resolved properly, perhaps, some of those that left because of the mishandling, might still be at the meetings.
Well, most of the things I disagreed with were secondary issues like their attitude towards outsiders, entertainment, yoga, things like that. I agreed with all of their main doctrines, such as paradise earth, no immortal soul, no eternal torment, though I was quite angered by thought of people dying at Armageddon irregardless of their belief system. Since I was raised a witness, my views of the outside world were distorted. Unlike most witnesses though, I did do quite a bit of research on other faiths. For a long time was having a lot of inner conflict due to what I'd learned. I particularily agonized over the fact that Buddhists, pagans and other groups seemed to be far happier and more compassionate than the dubs. I think what really kept me attached to the organization though was the concept of a paradise earth, and the belief that they were God's chosen instrument and there was no questioning it. When you've been taught something from childhood, shifting your paradigm is more frightening than death.