Posts by _Morpheus

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Dear typer-ers, you're doing it wrong!

by Simon in

there are many things wrong with the world, many injustices and crimes committed.

what if we could stop one of them?

wouldn't it make the world a slightly better place?

_Morpheus

Tut tut, Too many spaces between paragraphs clarity! :P

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Need advice on a comeback to my wife: when she is in cult mode she says faith without works is dead.

by goingthruthemotions in

so i have gotten into arguements with my wife in the past about this cult.

now a days after reading steve hassan books...i just try and avoid anything jdub with her.

try to keep her in authentic mode..(not sure she really has one).

What is so interesting, as several others have commented, is that in his discussion of faith needing works, james never once mentioned the door to door ministry or ANY ministry for that matter. In that second chapter as he was making his case, james refered to men of faith and how their faith moved them to act but never once even suggested a sharing of faith as that act. As someone noted already, he did talk about taking of orphans and widows though :)

sadly, all of this will fall deaf on the ears of average dubbies. Its abput them seeing what was preprogrammed for their eyes....

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Dear typer-ers, you're doing it wrong!

by Simon in

there are many things wrong with the world, many injustices and crimes committed.

what if we could stop one of them?

wouldn't it make the world a slightly better place?

_Morpheus

I have to admit some of the OP truly made me lol

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Ted Jaracz and/or others?

by feenx in

jw
friends

happy new year to all :)

so i'm curious if anyone has further info/dirt on jaracz or any other gb members (former or current).

i know jaracz was publicly accused of molesting a young girl (now an adult).

_Morpheus

He may have recently given some talk that stirred people up but that homosexual topic was a frequent one. When i first arrived and went through entrance school there was a whole lot of talk about not giving your roomate a message etc etc... As i say, it didnt start in the 90's by any means and im sure it still goes on now and im sure its still discussed and warned against.

In any event i dont mean to derail the original topic or subsequent bump/discussion, i was only offering my view point and experiance with sydlik when i was at brooklyn, that being he didnt seem to have any untoward interest in young brothers nor were their any rumors about him during my time there. Again this is not suggest that the account is false, only to say i have my doubts and would like more evidance or facts before accepting it as fact.

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Ted Jaracz and/or others?

by feenx in

jw
friends

happy new year to all :)

so i'm curious if anyone has further info/dirt on jaracz or any other gb members (former or current).

i know jaracz was publicly accused of molesting a young girl (now an adult).

_Morpheus

Very well could have been but i think thay was prior to the df'ings. Rumor had it every 10 or 15 years they 'cleaned house' house of homosexuals. It didnt start in the 90's and im sure it goes on now. In that enviornment, with so few women and NO approved outlet for normal sexual feelings, men turn whatever is around. It was very prison like in some respects.

*Just want to be clear here that im not in anyway opossed to homosexuals or whatever sexual orientation someone possess, im simply noting what i observed in my time at bethel and why that may be the case.

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Ted Jaracz and/or others?

by feenx in

jw
friends

happy new year to all :)

so i'm curious if anyone has further info/dirt on jaracz or any other gb members (former or current).

i know jaracz was publicly accused of molesting a young girl (now an adult).

_Morpheus

Sorry, i also should add that i know from my own time there that bethel in the early 90's was rampant with homosexual activity. My barber was df'd for it along with many others in a big brouhaha. Cleary it could have gone to the top, but dan just didnt seem to have a facination with the young men....

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Ted Jaracz and/or others?

by feenx in

jw
friends

happy new year to all :)

so i'm curious if anyone has further info/dirt on jaracz or any other gb members (former or current).

i know jaracz was publicly accused of molesting a young girl (now an adult).

_Morpheus

I never would want to discount someones account but i knew sydlik a bit and he never struck me as one who gave special attention to any of the young guys. It is fact that both greenleas and chitty were homosexual and on the gb and that they had had sexual relationships with bethelites. That has been covered in great detail on this site. They were both also dismissed very quietly from the gb. I would need some more information and some sort of additional verification before i could accept this account. It just dosent fit the profile of the person i knew, a very flawed bias i know.

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JW.org and recruitment

by Illuminated in

do you believe the marketing of jay w org will convert more people or help inactive ones remain indoctrinated?

_Morpheus

And i agree with kate on this. The internet appeals because of its lack of personal human contact. It creats an allusion of interaction on boards like this, but its not at all the same as 'in person' contact. The org seems to like the idea that people can look at their beliefs in private and not have to explain to their neighbors who is visiting every week. They have said as much at recent CA in fact. But the problem kate points out is that what hooks people most often is not dubbie doctrine but the love bombing and social circle provided by the local congregation. Im not sure the translation is there from a non interactive website (meaning one that provides static information and not acrual human interaction) to getting butts in seats at the local hall.

I continue to think that j w o r g is 1) a response to people learning the truth about the truth and countering with their own side and 2) cost saving as they migrated from 'print to pdf'

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How much real Integrity does the average JW have ?

by Phizzy in

consider the definition of integrity given below :.

" the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.. "a gentleman of complete integrity".

synonyms:.

_Morpheus

I think they have tons of integrity. Many would and have died as a result of adhering to the principles... The problem is its not principles they of themselves came to value for some well thought out reason. Its the principles the cult gave them that they hold as integral to their character and perhaps thats why you dont view them as principled, because its not an individual thing, its a group think.

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Blondie's Comments on the 1-18-2015 WT Study (HOLY)

by blondie in

november 15, 2014 wt study issue.

january 18, 2015 to be studied.

opening comments.

_Morpheus

Nice thoughts and summary blondie.

Am i the only one who caught the subtle trick they pulled in para 8? Note this quote:

"More than 30 times, the laws found in Leviticus are credited to Jehovah. Moses acknowledged this and did what Jehovah commanded him to do. (Leviticus 8:4, 5) Likewise, we should always do what our Sovereign, Jehovah, wants us to do. In this regard, we have the support of God’s organization."

They very directly equated obeying the organization with obeying the law given to moses, meaning the bible. This isnt new of course but its the subtle way they did it, very smoothly and sly so that the mind of a witness makes the associate between the two but its not startling enough to make them sit up and say 'woe wait a minite!'.

In paragraph 13 we have this absolute spritual gem(!):

"Our sacrifices of praise are personal offerings voluntarily made to God because we love him. (Matthew 22:37, 38) But we have been asked to report our activity in the ministry."

Double speak at it best!!! Notice the implication of the first sentance.... 'You are on your own. We didnt ask you to do this. We arnt responsible for what you do or how you it or the laws you break while doing it". " Personal offerings" "voluntarily made". Then the next sentance undermines it all. "BUT" (and every witness knew there was a but comming) we have been asked to report our activity. Notice the implication.. 1) its expressly implied that there will definatly be activity since they didnt say "if you have activity". 2) because you are expected to report your activity you are of course being judged by what you report. Otherwise why put your name on it? Why not do it annomously?

Farther down in para 13 notice the subtle tricky again played:

" Jehovah’s precious servants who have certain limitations can still submit a report. "

It is very directly linked that if you dont turn in a field service report you arnt precious. It is also very directly linked, via the precious sentances, that you report had better be substantial amd more than 15 min if you arnt in nursing home.

Notice the guilt used in closong para 13:

" So, then, is it really asking too much of us that we report our share in the preaching work"?

Wow. Nobody ever said it was "too" much nor does the society in anyway address a concern of "too much". Rather we question why it is nessary at all. Why the god of heaven and earth who knows all NEEDS us to turn in a specific field service report with our names on it to know what we did. Perhaps that should have addressed and not some straw man about it being 'too much to ask'.

There so much more subtle manipulation but it infiriates me to have to read this crap in order to dissect it. Credit blondie for being able to handle this week after week!