Nadsam
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Were you ever a Conscientious Objector ?
by Nadsam indear jehovahs witnesses and ex-jw's .. many of you may not be aware of what life is like in a military state.
i would like to share a part of the shame that jehovah's witnesses elders in southa africa have to bear.. in south africa white males during the 70's and 80's were conscripted into the army from age 16.. during the 80's at the age of 16 i was conscripted.
at age 17 i was sentenced as a minor and was told i would have serve to six years prison.
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Were you ever a Conscientious Objector ?
by Nadsam indear jehovahs witnesses and ex-jw's .. many of you may not be aware of what life is like in a military state.
i would like to share a part of the shame that jehovah's witnesses elders in southa africa have to bear.. in south africa white males during the 70's and 80's were conscripted into the army from age 16.. during the 80's at the age of 16 i was conscripted.
at age 17 i was sentenced as a minor and was told i would have serve to six years prison.
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Nadsam
Dear Jehovahs Witnesses and EX-JW's .
Many of you may not be aware of what life is like in a Military State.
I would like to share a part of the Shame that Jehovah's Witnesses Elders in Southa Africa have to bear.
In South Africa white males during the 70's and 80's were conscripted into the army from age 16.
During the 80's at the age of 16 I was conscripted. At age 17 I was sentenced as a minor and was told I would have serve to six years prison. I was released on parole and worked with six fellow witnesses all aged 17-18 in a Hospital Morgue.
It was a state run facility and was a central Morgue for the then Apartheid police force in Central South Africa . Often I had to handle bodies of persons who had been brutally murdered/shot/stabbed/burn't alive etc. On weekends and nights I had to help in the hospital's trauma theatre which was affiliated with a squad of Riot Police/Soldiers.
I also had to remove bags of amputations, fetus' and internal organs to be incinerated. The worst was seeing dead children . We had a huge furnace called lucifer. I once contemplated suicide and thought I should just jump in ! Besides this I was mocked , harrassed and mentally tortured by the Apartheid Loyal Non-JW Hospital staff ,day in day out for years on end.
To this day I suffer from depression, nightmares and post traumatic stress disorder.
What kept me sane during this period was the knowledge that at least I wasn't supporting a vile and evil regime..APARTHEID !
Fortunately Today I still have a cheerful personality and good supportive NON JW friends and a loving EX-JW wife, who put up with my highs and my lows.
I am also free from enslavement to the WT.
None of the six of my group are still Witnesses. (Many of those from that ear aren't literally hundreds fell away) Why ????
Most tried Pioneering and Bethel , but after our experiance we were at such a terrible disadvantge in the real world due to our age, lack of education and mental trauma. The reason most left was that just making a living was so difficult and this left little time for the "Truth" because Jobs are scarce and working hours long.
Instead of the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization's Elders helping us or standing by us ....they turned on us calling us materialistic and disloyal. Even those that served as Elders and Ministerial Servants were treated like garbage !
I am proud to have stood up to an Evil regime but am ashamed of the treatment we were given by the "wolves in sheeps clothing", the so called loving Elders of Jehovahs Witnesses who instead were nothing better than Judas' and Saul's.
My reasons for leaving the WT were based on a culmination of all that I had experianced, the betrayal of the elders, betrayal of JW business partners, the harrasment (not encouragement) of fellow JW's who served with me as Elders and MS (of which I was one) and evetually seeing that all I had believed in was based on lies.
My first meeting at age 26 with the District Overseer should have been enough!! While paging through my "Sheparding the flock - Elders Manual" his tone changed as he spoke of the "Inactive Sheep" in our congregation .He launched an attack on a you Elder who was studying for a University Degree correspondance.
I clearly picked up the sentiment that in his eyes anyone who needed money (and education) that bad didn'nt need encouragement from him...this coming from a swine leech who lived off of handouts, always had freemeals and was the king of freebies !
Have you ever been a conscientious/religious objector ..have you been awakened from enslavement to the WT Cult ?
Please post and share your experiance.
Yours Sincerely
Nadsam ...PROUD APOSTATE
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Introductions
by CeriseRose inwell not 'new', as i'm over 30. heh but i'm newly out (letter of disassociation dropped off at kh end of january, and i was announced last thursday night).
i posted my 'story' on a different ex-jw board, and as it is so long, i'm not reprinting it.
hehe even with cut and paste it's icky.
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Welcome aboard
Nadsam
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The Mole
by new light ini heard that a jw had just moved into my building from colorado.
a few weeks passed and nothing.
but just tonight a complete stranger walks up to me like we're old buds and asks, "how's that car running?
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Just say...Hi I'm you friendly neighborhood apostate...and watch hime run like hell !
Goodluck
Nadsam
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Good JWs who are apostates
by Elsewhere in1 : renunciation of a religious faith.
2 : abandonment of a previous loyalty .
how many jws do you know who left another religion to become a jw?
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My Great Grand Mother a chain smoker for 70 yrs...studied with the dubs bout 60yrs 1920 -80 , saw all her offspring beome dubs..died age 85....was buried an Anglican !
Beat That?
Nadsam
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Answers please regarding wts Armageddon predictions......
by Frantic inabout a month and a bit ago, there were rumours floating around here that 2034 or 2036 was the new wts date for armageddon.
is this true or false?
if true, is there a source?
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??? but if you add the fall of Jerusalem, and then add a gentile time and a half ubtracted the rise of Christendom and the birth of constantine....don't you get 2004 March 15 !!!!!!!...OH CRAP
Nadsam,,,your friendly neighborhood APOSTATE !
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I might go to the memorial this year....what is it like?
by jgnat inkeep in mind i was never a jw.
in christendom's churches, i am used to the breaking of the bread and the wine; crackers or loaf, chalice or teeny plastic cups, grape juice or the real thing.
i squeeze my eyes shut and imagine the sacrifice jesus made for us; consider his body for a moment, both the one he sacrificed, plus my fellow church members, also part of his body.
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Years ago I made comment about a "submarine" surfacing at the memborial that was overheard by a inactive couple...Later that evening I served the wine and the persons looked up at me from the audiance and I noticed I had seriously hurt their feelings...needless to say they are now very active and I'm now the local apostate.
It bothered me a long time that I was one of them.."JW Snobs" and may have stumbled them !
Instead it made them more committed???
WHAT HAVE I DONE!!!
Nadsam
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Its sad looking back and thinking of the few JW funerals I attended and remembering all the departed's loved ones being suckered into believing that soon (like very soon,, as the talk would sugar coat it) the would see them in paradise. This did not really help them grieve properly because they went on to believe that the person was coming back soon almost as if he had just left on vacation.
Nadsam
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Did You Ever Tell An Elder Something Confidential Only To Hear It Blabbed??
by minimus inelders are supposed to maintain confidentiality.
if they don't, they can be deleted as elders.
still, one of the biggest complaints that i can recall from some in the congregation, was that elder so-and-so told his wife or another ms that someone had a problem or had to be counseled.....did it ever happen to you?
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two days before the "big announcement" at the hall after my JC (3 days prior)..I told everyone that I had told the elders to go and get @#$%$# and then @#$% and #$%&^%$ ...(out of breath) . If I had known that they would talk would I still told them to %%$#@...some more...of course.
Nadsam !
(washing mouth out with soap now, calming down with an ice bag on my head, asking wife for paper bag....)
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Visit From Elders
by laurelin init's been awhile since i've been on here.
due to death in the family, chicken pox in children and other nasty things.. i posted here awhile ago about things i had found the unsettled me.
i was due to have a visit from two elders and a lot of you gave me lots of help and encouragement.. well, the two elders visited and i have to admit that it was nothing like i expected.. they sat down, and told me straight away that there was nothing i could say or ask that would hurt me.
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Hi, I would just like to put another spin on your predicamint and ask you to think of the following as something more than the almost technical scriptural versus WT analysis route. You no doubt reached this point due to that nagging doubt you have and would feel justified leaving if the technical "word" was evidence enough.
In making my point, please consider what "real" freedom from the WT means :
- Freedom of association
- Freedom of thought
- Freedom of speech etc etc
You can never have freedom living in a state of fear of reprisal or punishment for basic human rights.
Please try to look beyond the trap of the technical scripture approach versus the WT back up doctrine plan etc. In most courts of law, lawyers can battle for days or months on the technicality of a word...in your case it can be easier. Look at what the WT has done to your life and the lives of countless others. They have created a state fo fear like the middle ages , even worse the dark ages where everyone who doesn't agree will be burnt at the stake !
Make a clean start by making a clean break.You'll never look back .....and if you do it will no doubt be to want to help those trapped in the same "quick sand" you were in.. and also to thank those on forums like these that helped you see that there was more to life than service and slavery.
I hope that in trying to find the "evidence" for leaving you will please consider the overwhelming "opportunities" that await you.
Nadsam.