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  What Happened to Romans 3:34?

  by Dolllie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was reading a "bible teaching sheet" printed of the cbn website this morning.

  i went to look up a scripture they refered to, romans 3:34 in my father's black j.w.

  bible, and it was not there.

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  Flash

  There are some verses that are omitted in some bibles...The reason is bible scholars question the authenticity of some of those verses as not being in the orginal manuscripts.

  For instance... Matthew 21:44. It is in my NIV version, but the footnotes tell me that some ancient manuscripts do not have verse 44 in them.

  So the question then is, 'what is true scripture?' If 'all scripture is inspired' that is. IMO the entire bible is not true scripture/the word of God, ie: Proverbs 31:1-7. Or perhaps the question is, 'inspired in what sense, to what degree?'
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  WWI vs WWII

  by Euphemism in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and now, for a topic that has absolutely nothing to do with jehovah's witnesses!

  (or with contemporary politics.).

  i was listening to regie hamm's album american dreams tonight (which i highly recommend), and i was struck by a line from the song old man.

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  WWI gave us the term "shell shock", the roaring twenties, "lost generation". the WWII gave us white picket fences and the GI bill. So why the difference?

  Personally, I have no clue. Any ideas?

  IMO, WWI/1914 were a turning point in human history. After the 'GREAT WAR, The War To End ALL War' ended people were stressed in a way they never had been. Healing was needed and it took different forms. By WWII the people had adapted to the NEW era and even up to today's crisises, take it all in stride...'they take no note.'
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  HELP! How do you answer the Elders without incriminating yourself?

  by stichione in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i?m due soon for a shepherding call from my congregation elders for a variety of reasons: being irregular in service, s poradically attending meetings, and o h yes, writing in a letter to the society asking for clarifications on the blood ban.

  i?m sure that one question that they will be asking me is: d

  o you believe that jehovah is using the organization as his only approved channel of communication?

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  Flash

  JT,
  

  SO FOR me know I only hope that all the folks I dealt with in an unloving way can forgive me for it was done out of ignorance and being blinded.

  
  

  Thanks for putting this in your post. I also wish to apologize to everyone I delt with in an unloving manner. It's funny but pathetic when I think of how it was drummed into us elders that what they had us doing was the "loving" thing to do. "Ve must keep das congregation clean!" HIEL!!!
  

  Bill

  There are other ex-Elders here also (not me). It's nice to know Elders are not beyond hope. I used to think they were the lost of the lost.
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  I am so Excited!!!

  by codeblue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  well, it almost took 2 weeks to get them, but they finally came in the mail today.

  yahooooooooooooooooo!!!.

  i haven't been this excited in a long time.

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  Flash

  I haven't been this excited in a long time...I just received both of Steve Hassan's books: Combatting Cult Mind Control and Releasing the Bonds....

  Personal recommendations mean a lot to me. I will definately get these books! Thank you CodeBlue.
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  HELP! How do you answer the Elders without incriminating yourself?

  by stichione in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i?m due soon for a shepherding call from my congregation elders for a variety of reasons: being irregular in service, s poradically attending meetings, and o h yes, writing in a letter to the society asking for clarifications on the blood ban.

  i?m sure that one question that they will be asking me is: d

  o you believe that jehovah is using the organization as his only approved channel of communication?

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  "Have you been doing research in order to discredit the Society as God's organization?"

  Now that's a new one, I thought I heard them all! There must be a growing problem with people thinking and questioning!!! That is GOOD NEWS!
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  What's up with JWs only loving each other?

  by new light in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how can it be called love when it is contingent on religious fervor?

  i saw first hand today how some dubs only respect those of the faith, while dismissing others as scum.

  their ridiculous, unnecessary preaching work is their only claim to being christ's followers.

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  How can it be called love when it is contingent on religious fervor?

  Not even at the Hall are they truely, honestly loving. The cliques and the false spiritual standards they grade each other with eliminate the expressing of REAL love!
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  What Ramifications would there be if The WBTS went out.....

  by ohiocowboy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i as much as anyone would love to see them fall flat on their hypocritical behinds, but what would really be the outcome?

  there are those who have spent their entire lives in the org.

  and many of these are elderly, and basically have only the org.

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  Would there be enough therapists to accomodate such a number who would need emotional help?

  NO! ... and Gold is right, many would look for a replacement.
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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 5-23-04 WT Study (4-15-04)

  by blondie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  comments you will not hear at the 5-23-04 (week of 5-17 to 5-23-2004) wt study (4-15-04)

  paragraphs 1-2. being made in god?s image, humans have the capacity to reflect godly attributes.. there was a time that the wts used to say "man" was created in god?s image.

  " man was created first and for some time was alone, being in god?s image by himself.

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  "Christian elders strive to be kind in dealing with the flock"
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  Is the Watchtower Predicting the End for 2034 AD?

  by Dogpatch in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  is the watchtower predicting the end for 2034 ad?

  someone sent me scans of this dec 2003 wt and so i put together a little page on it.

  http://www.freeminds.org/history/endin2034.htm

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  Flash

  I think the WTS 'blinked' because they are afraid people will start heading for the door so they decided to extended the 'end time.' I don't agree with the GB revision of the 'last generation.' I believe they had it right and those born in 1914 are the last generation.
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  HELP! How do you answer the Elders without incriminating yourself?

  by stichione in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i?m due soon for a shepherding call from my congregation elders for a variety of reasons: being irregular in service, s poradically attending meetings, and o h yes, writing in a letter to the society asking for clarifications on the blood ban.

  i?m sure that one question that they will be asking me is: d

  o you believe that jehovah is using the organization as his only approved channel of communication?

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  D o you believe that Jehovah is using the Organization as his only approved channel of communication?

  To be marked but not DF'd you'd have to answer the question "Yes,but..." then elaborate on the issues that clearly show the errors of the GB/WTS and remind them that being God's channel is no guaranty of correctness. Remind them of the errors of Moses and the Kings of God's ancient people. They will try to control the discussion and the language used. Be on the lookout for 'leading' and 'yes' answer questions and don't give them the answers their guiding you to (unless you agree with them). They will try to keep you on the defensive. Put them on defence by answering a question with a question. Don't let them get off topic or deflect it back to you to make you or your postion the issue. The Elders are trained to follow a script and use playbook strategies. They don't do well when they have to think on their own (they're not allowed to) Keep your cool but stand your ground.

  Also are there other loyalty questions they might ask I should be prepared for?

  Yes, but they are many and varied. Remember, Elders are trained apollogists. The GB/WTS is always right the dissenter is always wrong. They will not be having an intellectualy honest discussion with you, they will be parroting what they are told to say and acting the way they were told to act. Keep alert, keep calm, don't let them rattle you. Don't let them talk about 'feelings,' keep it intellectual based on FACTS. Delay the meeting until your prepared for it, don't let them pressure you to have the meeting sooner than you want to. Remember you have authority over yourself to tell them when you will sit down and talk...You pick the date.