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  Who do they follow? Jesus - four pages. Faithful and Discreet Slave - seven

  by jgnat in

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  while searching for any stake references in the organized to do jehovah's will publication (c) 2004, i stumbled on this tidbit.

  jesus gets four pages and a bit in chapter 2 under, "recognizing christ's role in god's arrangement".

  by comparison, "trusting the "faithful and discreet slave" gets just under seven.

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  I like how you broke it down, especialy the A-B comparison with your bible...Very telling...very telling!

  The key doctrine that holds the whole mess together is loyalty to the Faithful and Discreet Slave.

  Yes, that is their primary Guilt and Fear tactic they use on the congregation. The Unfaithful and Indiscreet Slave are also more disciples of Paul than they are followers of Christ. Paul was big on teaching the congregation to surrender their personal freedoms (especialy the women) rather than lifting them up and setting them free...as Jesus said the Truth should.
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  Apostates commit the unforgivable sin and will NOT be resurrected.

  by gumby in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i posted this on another thread....but as usual, when i posted it, the thread died and so i thought i'd put it under a different subject as it's worth re-reading.. the society has always said nobody is the judge who commits the dreaded...."unforgivable sin", but they sure the hell do not having any trouble making a statement concerning apostates as commiting the unforgivable sin.. 1982 watchtower 4/1 p.26-28 .

  " jesus told the unrepentant scribes and pharisees that they and their gentile proselytes were subjects for gehenna or, literally, sons of gehenna.

  (matthew 23:15, 33-35; see also john 9:39-41; 15:22-24.

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  ....well inserted Flash. It's easy to fill in between the lines......once your out eh?

  Yes! And its getting easier as each day passes. Its been three years now for me, the clearity in my head and within my emotions keep increasing each day. I read from a couple of others on this site that it took ten years for them to be completely free of the effects of the WTS conditioning. Seeing the progress I've made in the past three years and knowing I still have programing issues...ten years sounds right.
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  Apostates commit the unforgivable sin and will NOT be resurrected.

  by gumby in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i posted this on another thread....but as usual, when i posted it, the thread died and so i thought i'd put it under a different subject as it's worth re-reading.. the society has always said nobody is the judge who commits the dreaded...."unforgivable sin", but they sure the hell do not having any trouble making a statement concerning apostates as commiting the unforgivable sin.. 1982 watchtower 4/1 p.26-28 .

  " jesus told the unrepentant scribes and pharisees that they and their gentile proselytes were subjects for gehenna or, literally, sons of gehenna.

  (matthew 23:15, 33-35; see also john 9:39-41; 15:22-24.

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  Some apostates profess to know and serve God, but they reject (OUR)teachings or (OUR) requirements (WE DECIDED WERE) set out in his Word. Others claim to believe the Bible, but they reject Jehovah’s (INFFALIBLE, ALL-KNOWING AND FLAWLESS) organization

  NO MASKS ALLOWED!!!
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  Apostates commit the unforgivable sin and will NOT be resurrected.

  by gumby in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i posted this on another thread....but as usual, when i posted it, the thread died and so i thought i'd put it under a different subject as it's worth re-reading.. the society has always said nobody is the judge who commits the dreaded...."unforgivable sin", but they sure the hell do not having any trouble making a statement concerning apostates as commiting the unforgivable sin.. 1982 watchtower 4/1 p.26-28 .

  " jesus told the unrepentant scribes and pharisees that they and their gentile proselytes were subjects for gehenna or, literally, sons of gehenna.

  (matthew 23:15, 33-35; see also john 9:39-41; 15:22-24.

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  Who is this Jehovah anyway?

  It's all judging and death and you can only have happiness if you put on the new straightjacket and demonstrate abject guilt for every stray thought or imperfect deed.

  Cool, prison for eternity. Why not just brain wipe us and program in what you want?

  Here is where I think a lot of us make the same mistake. We attribute all the abuse of power we recieve/d from the GB / WTS to God Himself. Bible history shows neither God nor His Son were that 'Hands On' when it came to managing or rather micro-managing the congregation. That's why Jesus warned those He left in charge what would happen to them if when He returned, He found them beating His people. The oppressive, intrusive, domineering and manipulating way the GB has been running the congregation from Rutherford on clearly qualifies as 'beating.' When Jesus didn't arrive when they had expected Him too they took harsh control of His congregation and will reap the result. Matthew 24: 45-51, Luke 12: 42-48 and Matthew chapter 23.
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  Apostates commit the unforgivable sin and will NOT be resurrected.

  by gumby in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i posted this on another thread....but as usual, when i posted it, the thread died and so i thought i'd put it under a different subject as it's worth re-reading.. the society has always said nobody is the judge who commits the dreaded...."unforgivable sin", but they sure the hell do not having any trouble making a statement concerning apostates as commiting the unforgivable sin.. 1982 watchtower 4/1 p.26-28 .

  " jesus told the unrepentant scribes and pharisees that they and their gentile proselytes were subjects for gehenna or, literally, sons of gehenna.

  (matthew 23:15, 33-35; see also john 9:39-41; 15:22-24.

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  Apostates from whos point of view?? God's Son is the only one who has the right to determine that. My personal view is that only those that are anointed or anyone on earth or in heaven, who is perfect, can commit the Unforgivable Sin.
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  "Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose."

  by Scully in

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  2. beliefs

  yoda

  : premonitions, premonitions.

  hmmmm, these visions you have... .

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  Yoda: Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose.

  It's good advise, especialy if you believe Satanic tests exist.

  I don't like Jedi anymore. They are too much like JWs.

  Their 'holyer-than-thou' attitude is definately the same.
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  The 11 top men - who are they?

  by estrelasb in

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  2. beliefs

  the big question is exactly who are these 11 men running and controlling the watchtower in brooklyn?

  as ever suspicious.

  do they have names or are they protected???

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  Flash

  You know what's maddening?? These men who run the WTS are sooo keen on knowing everything about who wrote what, where and when in the bible hiding themselves behind the false humility known as anonymity! Hypocrites!
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  What are JW's most important and sacred beliefs ???

  by run dont walk in

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  2. beliefs

  so what doctrines do you think are most important to the loyal witnesses / elders / governing body.

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  IMO these are:

• Jehovah is not a trinity.
• Jesus is God's first creation.
• The Angelic rebellion is the source of all our troubles.
• The Great Tribulation and Armageddon are literal and coming.
• God will use the worlds governments to destroy world religion.
• The Thousand Year reign is real.
• The Resurrection is the only hope for the dead.
• The Little Flock will be a literal Heavenly Government.
• Satan and his Demons have a finite time to exist and will be terminated.

I believe their right about these. I also think their 1914 / Last Generation teaching (which they retracted) is correct.