Posts by seeitallclearlynow

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Was There Ever A Circuit Overseer That You Couldn't Stand?

by minimus in

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i know this has been discussed before but i think a fresh thread on this will be enjoyable.

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I wonder if the Bro. Chin mentioned twice is the same Kin Suen (pronounced Ken Shen, he told me) who "served" our congregation in California in the early 80's - I found him somewhat unlikeable. Seemed to look down on some people, was actually rude sometimes to sisters who had prepared lunch for him - no patience for ordinary, imperfect people. But! His wife was the best C.O.'s wife I've ever met - Mary Jo from Laguna Beach. She would go on your return visits w/ you, and if she felt moved, would actually offer the householder money for this or that! What a likeable doll she was. So outgoing. I hope she is OUT and very happy. (Or in, and very happy - if that's possible!)

Sam Roberson and his wife seem to be universally liked, ever since he was a rather poor (financially) new, young C.O. He dresses much more smartly nowadays, and is just as loved.

Bro. Huckaby was great - and a good speaker, too. Always enjoyed his talks. Kind of spellbinding, in a manner of speaking.

Floyd Kite was really cool, but everyone knows that. Remember the earthquake talk....

I didn't care at all for D.O. Malaspina's talks. He was bombastic. Too high level of energy for too long a time on the platform. Very draining. And all about the Armageddon that never seems to come when they say it will....

Bro. Razor is an enigma to me - blasts and embarasses people publicly - from the stage during his ridiculously controlling and time wasting meetings for service at the K.H. - but then his talks were outstanding and humorous and vibrant and actually kind. Never could understand him. High energy in the Hall whenever he was there. Go figure.

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Feb 15 Watchtower: Apostates - Guard Against Deception

by truthseeker in

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feb 15 watchtower: apostates - guard against deception

don't you wish this were the real title of the 2nd study article?

well, it is, minus the word apostate.

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Hello, J.R.R. Watchtower, and welcome to the site! (And with a big splash, I'd say!)

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Feb 15 Watchtower: Apostates - Guard Against Deception

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feb 15 watchtower: apostates - guard against deception

don't you wish this were the real title of the 2nd study article?

well, it is, minus the word apostate.

seeitallclearlynow

Hi, Minimus! I'm intrigued! Can't wait till you do "come out!" I'll bet it'll get the ball rolling again at Bethel, even more than it evidently is now, in view of this desperate WT article on apostates. Wouldn't it be great if there was another Ray Franz or Randy Watters at Bethel right now, to come out and fill us all in on "What Happened at Bethel in 2003?"

Anyway, I have really appreciated your comments.

And "K" - I can relate to your comment about spouses using choker chains to control wives (or husbands), by threatening them w/ not seeing their children again if they don't come back (or stay) in the Org - my ex got me to come back by putting tremendous pressure on the kids not to see me anymore if I didn't get reinstated. My son became very ill emotionally and had physical symptoms from all the terrible things his elder father was constantly saying to him about his beloved (son's word) mother for no longer "serving Jehovah," and my daughter was distraught too. So I got reinstated....But they're grown now, and I know too much about the background and true nature of the WT Society to just go along anymore.

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Feb 15 Watchtower: Apostates - Guard Against Deception

by truthseeker in

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feb 15 watchtower: apostates - guard against deception

don't you wish this were the real title of the 2nd study article?

well, it is, minus the word apostate.

seeitallclearlynow

The angel of light is fighting back with all his cunning as usual. Obviously, the REAL apostates, the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, aka the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, are feeling the effects of the truth that is being made known about their deceptions. It's interesting, and so glaringly clear, that we come to the light to have our works made manifest, that is, we openly challenge the dictators in Brooklyn on the internet, giving specific doctrines, quotes, claims, dates, prophecies, behaviors, cover-ups, etc., citing their own literature, not only allowing them to refute what is said about them, but REQUESTING that they do so - we don't hide our older literature and change it at times, and lock it away in a special area in Brooklyn where only certain "trusted" cult members are allowed access, for fear the truth about the Organization will become known to the masses under their strict control. Instead of showing us the error in what we say, they just resort to empty personal attacks. So feeble. But it works with most of Jehovah's Witnesses, so why respond intelligently?

I'm rather breathless waiting to see what new farce they come up with when all the old (OLD) Governing Body Members are dead. Will there be new light to explain why new anointed keep popping up to fill their spots? Will the masses really believe that so many of those hand selected by God have died unfaithful?

Oh, and I loved the comment above, that no one had to force Crisis of Conscience on any of us - I too went searching for it, as well as In Search of Christian Freedom. Jesus saved us out of the wicked org; and we have to have faith that He will draw out the others, hungry to worship in spirit and truth instead of cultish forced unity and obedience.

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Urgent: The WTS is using it's website to spread deceit about child abuse.

by Latin assassin from Manhattan in

http://www.silentlambs.org/

http://www.dirtclod.com/

http://www.watchtower.org .

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My thoughts exactly, Latin Assassin! Realizing that Satan makes himself an angel of light was one of the scriptural explanations that helped my cult-gripped mind break free. How else could such a transparent theology have been so all-powerful over so many? Of course, Satan is an insane genius. An angel of (new) light....

Thank you for your post.

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What is Christmas to an Ex-JW?

by Amazing in

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what is christmas to you?

if you were raised a jw, as my children were, getting used to christmas takes time, and does not carry with it any memories.

for others who became jws later in life, it took time to get over christmas and learn to discredit the custom and lose feelings for it, and in some cases even learn to hate christmas as an evil pagan evoluton of apostate christianity.. .

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I was a Witness for about 30 unhappy years, and though for most of those years I utterly believed "it" was the truth, I never agreed about birthdays, being a mother. I couldn't imagine anything (earthly) being more worthy of celebrating than the births of our children. I never did it, though. As far as Christmas, I still loved it for most of those 30 years of living a totally absurd Witness life, always loving Christmas songs and a lot of old standard hymns, too. Sang them to myself. Never got caught. And I always tried to be near the tree lots for the smell and atmosphere, and loved the lights on the trees. The Nativity scene always touched me, though my conscious mind always condemned it as "out of touch with who Jesus is NOW." What a joke! We called ourselves Christians, but very few of us really identified with being "Christians" - how could we? Jesus said his followers would be witnesses of Him, and instead, we backtrack thousands of years and take on the name that God Himself intentionally left out of the Christian Greek Scriptures!! Oh well; at least I know now why "Christianity" made me so unhappy - I was in an unchristian cult!

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What was the "final straw" that made you leave the JW's ??????

by run dont walk in

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what happened or was said, that made you decide, enough is enough, i am out of here ?????

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It was watching the heartbreaking way my young son's "Elder" father treated him when he was disfellowshipped and while the boy was doing everything to come back. He was only a minor, and never meant to be put out of the organization, and only blames himself for his behaviour; and his stupid, weak, attention-and-approval-seeking father would barely, and stiffly, shake his young son's hand when he saw him at the Hall for every meeting during the reinstatement process. And the Committee had told both my son and his father that they could speak to each other, it was no problem, especially since the boy was a minor, and the father was an Elder. But he wouldn't speak to him on the phone or any other time. STINKING ELDERS ALWAYS THINKING OF THEIR PUTRID REPUTATION INSTEAD OF THEIR FAMILIES.

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Stupidest thing a JW ever told you

by Nosferatu in

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what is the stupidest thing a jw ever told you?

we all know that they say a lot of stupid things, but what really topped the cake?.

for me, it was an elder telling me i was progressing really well when my meeting attendance was down and my field service hours were slipping.

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2 things immediately spring to my mind - 1) When I was at Bethel, I loved to go into the Bethel Library and read; but once my Moonie Android husband found me in there, I never got to go again; he said " the sisters can't go in the library because it distracts the unmarried brothers." What a goon.

The other thing was an older sister, when I asked her if she wanted to sign a get well card for a dear one who was in the hospital, she got that superior, reproving attitude and tone of voice, and said, "In the KINGDOM HALL?!!"

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Have You Had Any "Blessings" Since You've Left The Truth?

by minimus in

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Since I left the Watchtower Organization, I now can meet and appreciate other people on an equal basis, w/ no fear, no immediate involuntary "accusations" or assessments of their character (as if I could possibly know on sight!); I approach each day without the dread I had felt for decades; I can interact w/ other people in a natural way, without having to "check" myself on every single thing I think, say, and do; I now pray easily and w/ assurance; I am now actually excited about the Bible, now that I can read an accurate translation, and by itself, without all the sludge in the Watchtower shading and masking the wonderful message of love and Christian freedom that is prevalent in the New Testament.

I can now fully enjoy the beautiful, meaningful old hymns that I've always loved and hummed and sung, when I thought I wouldn't be caught by the Watchtower Spies - especially Amazing Grace.

I now see God as a Loving Father, and not as the harsh taskmaster of the Watchtower.

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Did You Ever Tell An Elder Off??? How Did It Feel???

by minimus in

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some comments here, suggest regret---that you were afraid of these simple men.

have you ever told an elder off?

what was the result?

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I never actually told an elder off, but there was a strange, sort of aloof Book Study Conductor/Elder who was never warm or welcoming, and since I was newly reinstated, I would have appreciated a little welcoming or warmth; instead, after I missed a Book Study one week, his wife presumed to reprove me for missing the meeting, and she tended to hover around me at the Kingdom Hall too; so when I'd been talking to her pleasantly at the Hall one night, the "Elder" walked up to us w/ a look of disapproval along w/ that superior, rigid body language. Without any pleasant hello or welcome, he mentioned that I hadn't been at the Book Study that week. I smiled sincerely at him and said, "How can you shepherd me if you don't draw me out?" And he nearly exploded! He stammered and looked at his wife, who looked at him, and he evidently decided not to tell me off as he'd planned, and he walked away. His wife looked at me and laughed. TURNED OUT HE WAS DISFELLOWSHIPPED ABOUT A MONTH LATER FOR HAVING HAD A 1 OR 2 YEAR LONG AFFAIR W/ THE WIFE OF ONE OF THE BROTHERS IN THE CONGREGATION! AND WHAT'S MORE, JUST BEFORE HE WAS DISFELLOWSHIPPED, HE GAVE THE MEMORIAL TALK AT OUR HALL, AND IT WAS ABOUT THE BEST MEMORIAL TALK I HAD EVER HEARD! So much for Jehovah's Spirit having ANYTHING to do with anything done at the Hall.

Oh, by the way, I still felt compassion for him when it was his turn to endure the agony of the reinstatement process, sitting there in the back, being shunned, and I cried when I warmly welcomed HIM back, and told him how much I had enjoyed his Memorial talk the year before. He was very humbled by then.