Beep Beep -- Less we forget Rahab lied to save the Israelite spies -- and thats right the Gibeonites lied to save themselves --- what is your resposne to this?
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Confession me reply to your message RE Richie
by Beep,Beep ini do not agree with your reading of "policy".
i base this on personal experience on a couple of fronts.
1. i have yet to come across a single verifiable of a cover up.
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Dozy - More Clarification on the UN Issue?
by slimboyfat ini know you feel a bit bombarded with questions, but please if you could clear up just a couple of things for me that would be appreciated since i found your posts on the issue especially interesting.
i must admit this whole "un scandal" bores me to tears and i have avoided most posts on the issue right from the start.
however, from the little i have read i think there are some holes in the defense of the society you have provided on this issue.
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I personally wouldn't give a rats behind either about them joining the UN if not for the fact that they do not allow the same leverage for the "flock", and indeed hold us to another standard altogether. If we do the same thing on a MUCH smaller scale, such as joining the "Y" or going to a bingo game at the Catholic Church, we will most likely be DF'D. Plain and simple!
Thanks so much Interg --- I agree with you !
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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-9-06 WT Study (Recreation)
by blondie in(a) why is it difficult to find acceptable recreation?
q 6, 7. what can help you decide what is acceptable or unacceptable.
9 at times, christians ask: "what is acceptable recreation?
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acceptable for a Christian...elders help as needed
Yes. can you image the Apostle going to Jesus and asking what type of recreation is exceptable for them. I am sure since Jehovah gave us free will he would expects us as his servants to choose what is exceptable as individuals. The funny thing is people still do not get the picture people can do what the are told out of fear of reprecussion from men -- but does this truly mean they love Jehovah and Jesus Christ. This is why I did not stay for the Watchtower this paste Sunday. The bible does not tell us to go ask elders what is appropiate recreation..if God does not give specifices why should elders?
Jesus...always used such occasions to impart spiritual blessings
When Jesus turn the water into wine now were in the bible does it say he imparted at spiritual blessing as a matter of fact the comments were made at how the host put out the superior wine..which usually meant the host would put out inferior wine after the good wine was all gone. Jesus did this to display his God given power no were does it say it was for a blessing. Then too when he was going to take the Apostle a way for a rest, since they have been preaching so much, no were in the scriptures is the impression given that he was going to do more teaching at that time. As Blonde stated the scriptures state not all of what Jesus did could be written down as it would fill many voulmes.
Wow are we babies now -- I am an adult and if I do not have the sense to proritize, then I would not have a job. So if the meetings and spiritual activites are important to me, duh I do not need to be told this, if they are not, then no matter what is said in this matter, I would still schedule things during whenever I wanted to. I can not see Jesus treating the Apostle as such babies. The whole thing that interest me is in one breath it is said Jehovah gave us free will -- but it appears that we should have the societies will -- If Jehovah gave us free will - then as free moral agents we should be able to decide things for ourselves with out specifics being given. Isn't this why Jesus condemn the religious for adding to the law?At a time that does not interefere with spiritual activities
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Dozy - More Clarification on the UN Issue?
by slimboyfat ini know you feel a bit bombarded with questions, but please if you could clear up just a couple of things for me that would be appreciated since i found your posts on the issue especially interesting.
i must admit this whole "un scandal" bores me to tears and i have avoided most posts on the issue right from the start.
however, from the little i have read i think there are some holes in the defense of the society you have provided on this issue.
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Thanks Justitia Themis -- take this same article and insert the UN -- this would have to be given the same response. Dozy is interesting in his saying it is okay -- how could this be okay. Especially since membership is not even required to use the library. Dozy keeps referring to people being ex-witnesses -- I am not -- and I will also say this he must have forgot the part in the bible were Jesus condemn the religious leaders for their hypocrisy and they to thought they were doing what Jehovah wanted. There is not excuse for being assocaited with the UN -- NONE period !
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Dozy - More Clarification on the UN Issue?
by slimboyfat ini know you feel a bit bombarded with questions, but please if you could clear up just a couple of things for me that would be appreciated since i found your posts on the issue especially interesting.
i must admit this whole "un scandal" bores me to tears and i have avoided most posts on the issue right from the start.
however, from the little i have read i think there are some holes in the defense of the society you have provided on this issue.
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Is the UN thing that hard to understand -- I challenge any witness to Join the YMCA and say oh we are only doing it for the pool, basketball and etc -- they would be in serious trouble probably DF --- why it is so hard to see --
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Hotel Discounts, at conventions. Oh how we fooled ourselves!
by free2beme ini honestly thought, when i was a witness, that there was a special discount at hotels when i went to them at conventions.
not just a simple special that can be given to anyone, but rather an extra special discount that was negotiated with the watchtower society.
well that is not the case, i used to work in the hotel industry for a short while and we did conventions for everyone from religious organizations to clubs.
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I figured it was not a discount....I could get a better rate with triple a
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Whats the dumbest reason youve been counseled?
by avishai inmy friend was counseled for having a bad attitude because he wore white socks w/ his suit.
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My wife who was a JW divorced me. I moved to another area and I got to joking around with a sister about, If I was not in the situation I would like to take you to lunch (since I was not scripturally free I was not allowed to be out with a sister even on friendly terms). The sisters mention it to the elders , who then took it upon themselves to not let me pray before the congregation. However I only found out about it when I ask an elder why I had not be called on to pray in the congregation. To which I said to the elders, how come one of the elders did not come to me and ask me my side of the story. To which he did not reply. Of course as far as I am concerned they can keep their privileges.(this happen several years ago)
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Did You "Wait On Jehovah" & Get Disappointed?
by minimus inthe watchtower's cure-all for any injustice or question is to "wait on jehovah".
have you had any experience showing that "waiting on jehovah" is useless??
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The wait on Jehovah expression is the same expression as the Catholics using it is a mystery. The expression creates laziness, as I see it yes somethings are out of our control and truly will take God to fix them, but somethings are in our control if I do not have a job and I get a job which may cause me to miss some of my meetings, I do not believe Jehovah would want me to wait for the perfect job and let my family suffer. However what a person could do is take this job and then activetly look for another one so that they could start making all of their meetings again.
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Latest WT study article - preparation for upcoming new light?
by truth_about_the_truth in.
the latest wt study article seemed like an article to prep the masses for 'new light' to be revealed in the very near future.. i have never seen an article like this one where they summarized their 'flashes of light' in their history in this manner and bombarded the minds with the need to accept all and any change within the org.. it could be for the purpose of getting the rank and file to accept a pretty big change or a series of big changes very soon.. what do you think?
what do you think it'll be?.
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Generally it is mention at the Assembley -- sometimes it is a full talk about the issue at the assembly or just a brief mention and then a watchtower article come out that was based on the talk or completely explaining the new doctrine. The full explanation of the generation change was done in a watchtower study article.
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To all Active JW's on the board
by UNCLEAR inas you are all aware i am new to the board, this is my third topic post.
since i have come online and expressed some concerns regarding docturnal issues, i have been pm'd by several active jw's on the board pretending to have concerns also but then sending pm's to "trust in the congregation and jevovah", "talk to the elders about your concerns" and "stick close to the congregation".
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But still mind you was in good standing and I was told if I divorce him I would lose good standing
I will tell my story one day, but I will just say this briefly. I was married to a witness once and she left and then divorced me on unscriptural grounds(This after I had forgiving her of adultery about 5 years early) I found out she decided to start coming back to the meeting. When I said to the brothers, is she still in good standing the scripture he quoted to me was "not all things are lawful and not all things are advantages". Meaning there was nothing they could do to her. However if I on the other hand had left her and divorce her, then I could not be used in the congregation. One day I will tell the story of the hoops they made me go through to prove my scriptural freedom.