I met JeffT, followed minutes later by Gollum, at my first mini-apostafest the very same week that I first came here.
SNG
the first poster that i ever met was philo.. we'd traded a few stories via the site and i realised that we knew some of the same people down in portsmouth.. he was very cagey as to his real identity, but eventually we shared emails and he told me all about himself.
one day, i took hl down to portsmouth to see my daughter who lives there.
i'd mentioned it in a post, that i was going in that direction.
I met JeffT, followed minutes later by Gollum, at my first mini-apostafest the very same week that I first came here.
SNG
i have a "working" interview tomorrow for a really great, high-paying job!!!
i'm so excited, just last week i was despairing that i hadn't recieved a single response to all the resumes i'd sent.
the only problem is that i'm a smoker, and it's a smoke free workplace, so i have to hide my dirty little habit!!!
Hey Maybe,
Great news about your interview! I'm sure you'll do great. My gut instinct is like the other posters - don't lie, just be cool and assure them it won't be a problem. Best of luck! Knock 'em dead!
SNG
i got into a rather heated discussion this morning with my unbaptised but raised jehovah's witness wife.
we discussed so many things: feb 1 watchtower article on 607 and 1914, the un, beth sarim, blood, god's mouthpiece here on earth, etc.
this was yet another attempt on my part to try to plant a seed of doubt.
Hi there.
I really don't like the scriptural debates - they never seem to go anywhere, in my experience - and trust me, I know the Bible far better than most Witnesses. I like the UN idea for its pure shock value and irrefutability. Here are a couple URLs:
This page talks about the involvement:
http://www.randytv.com/secret/unitednations.htm
Nice powerpoint presentation detailing some of the blatant hypocrisy:
http://www.randytv.com/wtun_files/frame.htm
UN web site page showing the Watchtower article supporting the UN, in fulfillment of NGO requirements to support the UN's causes:
http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/materials/articles.htm
Hope that helps.
SNG
just sitting here thinking it's possible that the end could infact come in our life time.
serious now i have had many dreams from god or jesus christ where i did infact survive the time & hour of armageddon and it was good.
what yall think, are you giving up hope or are you praying that it would come?
U2K,
When I was in high school, I studied the Bible with a kid my age named Juan. I remember reading world events in the newspaper and telling him, "You know, the way things are coming together, I really can't see this system lasting much longer. I think the New System will be here by the end of this year, next year by the latest."
That, of course, was 11 years ago. World events change. Crises come and go. People have been thinking the end of the world would come in their lifetime for 2000 years, and none of them have been right.
Just some food for thought.
SNG
you're out somewhere, shopping maybe or in a restaurant or bus queue, whatever.. you've not been to the meetings for a couple of years, you are now an inactive person.
you might even have da'd yourself or got df'd.. you suddenly realise you are facing or stood next to someone that you know is a jw.
you also know that they know that you were once a jw too.. the person greets you and starts up a conversation with you.
I liked the responses of BeenThere and asleif_dufansdottir. The suggestion that a person could leave for conscientious reasons tends to be utterly baffling to Witnesses. They are completely unprepared for such an idea, which hopefully will allow them to think about it later.
SNG
i was raised a witness, so from an early age i got into the habit of bowing my head to pray.
the idea was that to look up would be disrespectful.
of course, it soon struck me that when praying in bed, you're brazenly staring straight up at god, so i started rolling onto my side to pray.
I was raised a Witness, so from an early age I got into the habit of bowing my head to pray. The idea was that to look up would be disrespectful. Of course, it soon struck me that when praying in bed, you're brazenly staring straight up at God, so I started rolling onto my side to pray. Soon, it felt disrespectful even to sleep while facing up. So since I was perhaps eight years old, I have slept on my side. In more recent years I've tried to go to sleep on my back, and I just can't do it. It feels unnatural, even if it doesn't feel particularly wrong anymore.
Weirdly, I can sleep on my back when I take a brief nap on the couch. It's only in a bed that I have difficulty, which leads me to believe that it's a result of this conditioning. Have any of you ever experienced such a thing?
SNG
http://www.cnn.com/2004/tech/space/01/04/mars.rovers/index.html
it took 7 months to reach mars.
they will try to find signs of life on mars.
Hey acsot,
No, I didn't catch the episode of Nova. Sounds like it was interesting. I had the same thought, regarding the cruel wait the engineers had to endure. And the really heart-breaking part for me would be that nothing was there to view the descent or to record it in any way! I mean, we presume that the parachute opened at the correct altitude, and that the radar acquired the surface and fired thrusters correctly, and that the airbags were deployed with minute precision. It's pretty safe to assume these things from the fact that it landed totally unscathed.
But doesn't it just seem a shame that no one could have seen it? How did it look streaking across the sky at thousands of miles per hour? What was it like when it first hit the ground? How far did it bounce before coming to a stop? To have imagined it all play out for months or years, and never to actually see it - it's almost painful. Such is the agony of a JPL engineer, I suppose.
SNG
in another thread, the subject came up concerning dubs and their maturity level.
the question was posed as to what members on this board would consider the word maturity to mean.
so....what does maturity mean to you?.
I think that a vital aspect of maturity is respect for others. We take care of ourselves independently because we recognize the right of others not to have to look after us. We respect and consider the opinions of others, not arrogantly refusing to yield. We are good neighbors and citizens because we respect the right of others to enjoy the community.
Doc Watson wrote that maturity involves doing the "right thing" as opposed to the selfish one. Some would argue that everything we do is selfish, but perhaps the underlying priniciple in his statement was that of thinking long-term. The classic example is a child who consumes far too much candy. Caught up in the moment-to-moment bliss of the sugar in his mouth, he fails to consider (or simply does not know) the longer term effects: the soon-to-follow stomach ache.
Similarly, maturity allows us to do things that are painful in the short term but beneficial in the long run. We may choose the 15-year mortgage or bite the bullet and begin that exercise regimen, because we are thinking about the long term.
I think that these two points are broad principles underpinning much of what we consider to be maturity. They're certainly areas in which I've grown since leaving the organization. Indeed, leaving the organization itself is an act of maturity because it means being true to oneself and the facts in spite of the painful losses that are incurred. XJWs, pat yourselves on your mature backs!
Just some musings.
SNG
"2 peter chapter 3 verse 1 - 13" .
"some of yall on this board is ignorant to the words that peter told us to heed.
you dont believe in the promise that god has sent thought peter though the minds of the world?
Dave, you meanie.
I say we congratulate U2K for switching to normal typing. I'm not being facetious here. I think it means he's moving toward a more conversational spirit.
Keep up your participation, U2K.
SNG
PS. I am not ignorant of Peter's words. In fact, I am very familiar with them. Thanks for the reminder.
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i know its been awhile...i dont have to much to say right now.im at a loss for words..im dissfellowshipped now..the announcement will be in 2 weeks.i just need some support..
Hello Shytears,
I'm sorry to hear that you're going through rough times. Do you have family in? My thoughts are with you.
SNG