I simply believe the Bible when it asserts, and I am paraphrasing, that the proof of God's existence is in the things he has made.
Sincerely
earlier a thread emerged, as they do so often, on whether or not god existed.
i stated that he does, unequivocally and without doubt.
i refused to preface the statement with the phrase "i believe".
I simply believe the Bible when it asserts, and I am paraphrasing, that the proof of God's existence is in the things he has made.
Sincerely
1 : renunciation of a religious faith.
2 : abandonment of a previous loyalty .
how many jws do you know who left another religion to become a jw?
Long before I began to distrust the Org, I use to refute the speech and reasoning of my exwife, an angry maniac fanatic, a woman who was otherwise normal until I encouraged her to start studying . . . my bad.
When I would challenge her screwed up way of thinking with sound reasoning- common sense stuff, she would call me an apostate. Ha, ha, wait til she hears what I have to say now! She will freak.
Corvin
"do you want to know why you don't believe the truth anymore?
i've just been asked this question by a jehovahs witness who stopped to talk to me in town.
i'd told her i didn't believe anymore.
"Belief in the truth is a divine gift from God. He opens our eyes. Now that you have stopped going, he has taken it away from you, so you don' t believe"
Sorry, but she is a kook and full of WT crap. I was df'd for 13 years, for smoking, before I decided the org was a load. All those years my eyes were "open" to the teachings of the WTBTS, and I never ever for one second ever thought badly of the org or any of my former fellow brothers and sisters. All those years while df'd, I defended the org and their version of the truth, and I intended to get back one day . . . I was merely waiting until I could go back with a clean conscience and live completely for the org and Jehovah without hypocracy. I had stopped going yet Jehovah never took away my "eyes wide open'" outlook or belief. When I learned about the controversial issues such as hidden images in the WT publications, blood, NGO, and child abuse, and watching the acts of the JW apostles as they tried to ruine my kids did I begin to take exception to their ways. What that sister said to you is self-righteous garbage.
Those true Christians are proved by their fruits. The JW's I am thinking of are like the trees Matthew talks about getting cut down and thrown into the fire. I want to be the one holding the match.
Corvin
i am wondering how iminent did armageddon seem when you were jws?
how iminent does the wts feel it is today?.
i recall that for me it seemed that it could happen at any moment.
?I tell you all here tonight. If we are all sitting here in the year 2000 then I will have some serious thinking to do, because obviously by then we would know it could not be true!?
Your step-dad hit it right on the head.
I use to see that look of weariness in my mother's face often. She had been df'd for having a relationship with a worldly man, and she was working toward her reinstatement. Two weeks before her reinstatement she said to me, "I no longer care if I make it or not, I just wish Armageddon would get here . . .". The night of her reinstatement she was killed by a drunk driver as we left the Kingdom Hall.
She had waited soooooo long for the promises of the GB. She went from hell to breakfast, and I love that about her. I could tell that she had lost faith in the promises tho.
Corvin
ok, i went and took a good look at the silent lambs site and i am taken aback.
there are some pretty f-d up elders out there in the org.
i have always dealt with heavy duty crap with a sense of humor, but i still feel deeply about the issue and it effects me.
Just to clarify, while this is a real WT cover, it has been altered. It's original context is shown here . . .
ok, we know that field service, for the most part is unproductive.
that is, very few newly baptised jw's are from converts.
that means that most dubs make babies, indoctrinate them, and they become dubs.
I have 3 kids raised thus far in the "troof", and only one still shows a real interest in going to the meetings of her own volition. I talk to her about the NGO thing, and other issues, and I can see it is opening her eyes . . . we will see.
Corvin
about a month and a bit ago, there were rumours floating around here that 2034 or 2036 was the new wts date for armageddon.
is this true or false?
if true, is there a source?
Frantic, alll it is in a supposition based on a WT article recently that discussed the correlation between Noah's day of preaching and destruction and the time of the end today as the WTS teaches. Noah/humankind was given 120 years in Genesis 6:3 to shape up . . . If you consider 1914 as the time humankind was given to "shape up" (ALTHOUGH THE WT SAID NOTHING LIKE THIS), and count out 120 years you come to 2034. Does the WTS make this correlation directly, NO.
The WT article, which I read carefully, does not directy say the end will come in 2034, HOWEVER, let the reader use discernment, the article certainly does infer such a date. It is, I believe, what they are trying to lead the reader to assertain.
It is, in my opinion, and I could be wrong, another attempt to get the members to gear up and get hyped up for yet another date of destruction.
This is alot of time, tho, and it certainly would give us all lots of time to play since we know we have another 30 years to screw around before we have to get righteous and buckle down for Kingdom interests.
Corvin
ok, i went and took a good look at the silent lambs site and i am taken aback.
there are some pretty f-d up elders out there in the org.
i have always dealt with heavy duty crap with a sense of humor, but i still feel deeply about the issue and it effects me.
OK, I went and took a good look at the Silent Lambs site and I am taken aback. There are some pretty f-d up elders out there in the org. I have always dealt with heavy duty crap with a sense of humor, but I still feel deeply about the issue and it effects me.
So this is for all you Photoshop users out there.
Believe it or not, this is actually a real WT cover . . .
started last week sunday, sorry for the delay in posting.. the downside is that it's only 3 days a week.
but i'm still continuing to look for a better job.. my landlord moved me to a studio apt which is 300 dollars a month with still all utilties paid.
it's an ok apt, not too shabby.
There was a time when I and my wife lived in a studio. It was perfect for the two of us, and then we sometimes had all of our five kids visiting at once! There was piece and lots of love, and although it was so small of a place, it was to us a palace when we were all together. We live in a much bigger place now and four of our children live with us full time, but we never forget how fortunate we were have so much space in such a small place, and how warm and intimate it was.
It does not matter the size of your abode, when you are in a loving and pieceful mode.
Congrats and Kind Regards,
Corvin
minimus asked if we had ever turned in someone to the elders.
sassy posted that now that she is 'out' she would not mind turning some people in.
its so unloving to keep their sins hidden, they need reproof.
I would have no problem turning in a JW who is self-righteous, judgemental, hypocritical and a fake, who pretends to be a good JW while leading a double life, someone like an elder who knows better and is sitting in position where he counsels and passes GB judgements on the other sheep. He gets to get pimp-slapped as far as I am concerned because he is one who is intentionally hurting others, the real apostate I'd say.
Corvin