Posts by amac

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Hidden Images in the JW Publications

by Hunyadi in

i am a disfellowshipped brother and have never had a problem with the organization's doctrines.

i am, however, deeply disturbed at the undeniable use of hidden or subliminal images in the illustrations of the wt publications.

there are so many that it cannot be interpreted as anything other than a deliberate pattern.

amac

And by the way, the empty chair does NOT resemble a pentagon. It's more like the star of david. However, RESEMBLE is the key word here.

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Hidden Images in the JW Publications

by Hunyadi in

i am a disfellowshipped brother and have never had a problem with the organization's doctrines.

i am, however, deeply disturbed at the undeniable use of hidden or subliminal images in the illustrations of the wt publications.

there are so many that it cannot be interpreted as anything other than a deliberate pattern.

amac

undeniable use of hidden or subliminal images in the illustrations of the WT publications. There are so many that it cannot be interpreted as anything other than a deliberate pattern.

I can deny it. I can also interpret it as something other than a deliberate pattern. How about complete coincidence? Or how about an artist dwindling away his skills on WT work and in his/her boredom doodles in some other images just for the sake of doodling. It's about as sinister as all the backwards masking in rock music back in the 80's. Unless you have some proof beyond random coincedental likenesses to common things like dogs and letters I see no reason to think otherwise.

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Rats and Rap Music

by NikL in

jw
friends

i just thought i would share this little gem that showed up in my e mail box.

it seems to be making the rounds of dubdom at the moment.. rats and rap music.

it took them 10 minutes to go through the maze, just as .

amac

I really hope a JW sends me this so I can reply to them how RIDICULOUS it is. Even with the real experiment with Rock music...does that mean humans who listen to Rock music will get lost on their way to work and start eating each other?

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So you think I'm a hypocrite?

by dothemath in

........reply to joker 10.

.......i just noticed your post........can't say i blame you for thinking that.

i mentioned i'm currently an elder and don't plan on leaving the organization...........but i probably won't be an elder much longer......as i'm not exactly the "ball of fire" they want.

amac

Sirona,

Give it a rest...you make it seem as every passing minute dothemath hesitates on his decision that people are falling down dead left and right. You have no idea how he handles talks, advice, shepherding, etc. Perhaps at the moment he is able to do things without going against his conscience, in which case he is NOT hypocritical.

Dothemath,

Not sure if you are still reading this, but to repeat what others have essentially said...no need to make any rash decisions. The hardest part is breaking through the "everything the FD&S says must be right" mentality. Once you have done that, it is much easier to examine all their teachings, literature, talks, etc from an objective viewpoint and make your own decision on what is right/wrong, or christ-like and unchrist-like. Good Luck!

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JW suspect in triple murder

by DevonMcBride in

http://www.wftv.com/news/2684618/detail.html

police name suspect in triple murder

posted: 6:40 a.m. est december 5, 2003

amac

I don't know you, and I don't know whether or not you ever were a JW or for how long, if you were. But I don't think you understand how JWs operate when dealing with people who have special problems.

Herk, I'm assuming you haven't read my previous posts, particularly this part:

My father happens to be an elder and a recovering addict. If it was in his cong he would have been trying to get the guy into some type of rehab.

I have been intimately involved with 3 different JWs and getting them into a rehab while I was an active JW. I DO know how JWs handle "special" problems such as mental illness and drug addiction. I know enough to know that it will vary from elder to elder and elder body to elder body to the extremes where you have experienced ex-addicts helping and inexperienced ones giving bad advice and acting the holy roller part. My point has been that we do not know the people who tried to help this man, and even if we did, their worst possible ignorance is nothing in comparison to this man's violent crimes.

allgrowedup -

I certainly have NOT missed your point, but I think you may be missing mine, so let me try again.

Additionally, because of their arrogance, these murders MAY have been prevented if they had recognized their own lack of expertise in the very real field of drug addiction - and therefore, made sure he got the right kind of help.

My point is this - HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY DIDN'T TRY TO GET HIM THE RIGHT KIND OF HELP? Again, my father is an elder and has helped a number of people get into rehabs and has even been their sponsor. So if this was in my father's hall, you would be flat out WRONG. How do you know you are not wrong about these guys?

For the second time, neither of us know how this family or the local elders tried to help this man, so there is no need to speculate and even worse, try to cast blame on them.

This applies to the rest of your post which reiterates that the local elders mishandled how to help this man, which, again, you don't know.

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JW suspect in triple murder

by DevonMcBride in

http://www.wftv.com/news/2684618/detail.html

police name suspect in triple murder

posted: 6:40 a.m. est december 5, 2003

amac

now THEY have blood on their own hands for not getting him into some kind of secular program that may have saved the lives of the people this man killed.

In addition, what if he killed 3 people while he was in a rehab that the JWs got him into? Would they still be bloodguilty?

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JW suspect in triple murder

by DevonMcBride in

http://www.wftv.com/news/2684618/detail.html

police name suspect in triple murder

posted: 6:40 a.m. est december 5, 2003

amac

article does it say that this guy was being "helped" against his will, nor does it say anything about the type of "help" this guy was receiving.

That's because whether or not they helped him is a nonissue in relation to this man killing 3 people. You are ready to blame the amount of help they offered as a reason as to why he killed 3 people? Should we research every murder in history and see who failed to prevent it or offer the needed help? I think that is ridiculous.

How I see this is that the WT had knowledge of this guys problems, or they wouldn't have been trying to "help" him. What this says to me is that yet again, the Witnesses think they have all the answers - and as such, are qualified to handle anything that is dished out to them, and that is simply untrue. Additionally, this article points out yet another WT hypocrisy in regards to "blood guilt". The WT did not have the expertise to help this guy - whether the guy wanted it or not - and because they were over-confident in their abilities to bring this guy to Jesus (or whatever they do), now THEY have blood on their own hands for not getting him into some kind of secular program that may have saved the lives of the people this man killed. Even if the perp still murdered these people after the WT made sure he was getting more appropriate help, at least the WT could be free from the "blood guilt" they so self-righteously accuse of others. If I were a member of the victims' family, I know I would love to see exactly what it was the WT did to "help" him. I bet they are burning his records as we speak.

First of all, the WT was more than likely never involved with this guy. It would have been the family studying with him and maybe the local elders. Second of all, you nor I know anything about how anyone was helping this man. My father happens to be an elder and a recovering addict. If it was in his cong he would have been trying to get the guy into some type of rehab. Or they could have been freak elders who simply thought he needed to read more watchtowers in order to heal. Either way we don't, but either way, they are still not to blame for this man killing 3 people. On top of that, lots and lots of bad advice is given in this world and the JWs hardly have that market cornered. It does not absolve any responsibilty for personal actions.

What the local elders did is in no way responsible for this man killing them, unless they knew he was going to do it and failed to warn the family.

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Teacher "ruins" lives of first graders by saying Santa is illogical

by Gopher in

should this teacher be teaching first-graders?

mom objects when teacher blows santa's cover

associated press published december 4, 2003

amac

creating one's own version does require immagination.

I'm sorry, but with all the commercialism and consumerism related to Xmas, pretty much every possible "version" of the Santa myth is covered. You're right in that a child COULD change the myth through imaginative creation, but I'd be willing to bet that most kids stick to the usual fat men in a red suit bringing presents via a reindeer driven sled. Doesn't take a lot of imagination to picture that when you are surrounded by it.

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Teacher "ruins" lives of first graders by saying Santa is illogical

by Gopher in

should this teacher be teaching first-graders?

mom objects when teacher blows santa's cover

associated press published december 4, 2003

amac

And don't worry, rambling is what I do best.

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Teacher "ruins" lives of first graders by saying Santa is illogical

by Gopher in

should this teacher be teaching first-graders?

mom objects when teacher blows santa's cover

associated press published december 4, 2003

amac

I don't necessarily know that...feel free to prove that there is some type of mental growth associated with believing in Santa. I just don't see any imagination involved which is what some were saying is the benefit of believing in Santa.