They key word lies in 'consenting'. If both are agreeable to it, what if you consented to smoking a bowl of weed. It's your choice. Too many people concern themselves with what others think. We were all given gifts, talents, and freewill. There are so many resources that were given to us, that are at our disposal. And the intimacies of sex, are there for a reason.
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Will God punish consenting Adults for having sex?
by fearnotruth22 invd, stoning, df, gehenah.
is god behind this?..
everything considered, and without causing harm to people, should two consenting adults be able to have sex with each other ?
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Mean things that Elders have done
by galaxy7 init was during the drought when alberta and sask were in bad shape for hay.my husband was promised 100 bales (this was before the drought).when my husband was ready for the hay the elder said he couldnt have any ,in the field there were trucks picking up hay which he sold for double the price.so here we were with no promised hay to feed 32 horses.does anyone else have a story?
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I don't know if you would classify this as mean or totally bizzare. But we had an elder who was df'd for child molestation. The friend and fellow elder of this abuser was calling around the congregation, to ask people's opinions as to whether THEY would see, if there was any reason, why the former 'kind hearted' elder, who was basically a 'nice' guy, shouldn't be reinstated..............
And so, after only six months they reinstated this clown.
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Burnout
by Puternut inno wonder the witnesses are totally burned out.
i was an elder for some time and climbed the spiritual ladder.
now that i am out, i have lots of time on my hands where i can be myself again, and do things i want to do.
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Their reply was the typical one. "Jehovah gives you strenght to accomplish things beyond normal". So in other words, after all I did for my creator and was burned out, he just didn't give me any strenght in my mission. I felt like they were saying that since I wasn't doing enough, I didn't have His blessings on the matter.
The fact remains that these two, DO and CO, simply were out of touch with reality. They were provided for daily by the WT. A free place to stay, free meals, free transportation, and vacation time.
In the calculations I presented, they failed to realize that I have to work for my money. I am self employed, and worked hard at my business to provide properly for my family. I have two teenage daughers, and had a wife (now ex). I had my hands full, and there was simply not enough time in the day left to accomplish all that was required by the WT. Since I was a PO, they even offered me to do some circuit work on top of that. I flatly refused of course.
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My heart is ripped out !!
by Puternut ini am absolutly miserable !.
i am a newbie here, some of you have seen my posts.
and for those of you, who are old timers, this is no news to you.
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Shotgun,
Thanks for the advise. I see I have to sort through these posts a bit. Though I have found some very loving people here.
Brig, I all due respect, if you want to pick a fight with others, could you start a new post elsewhere? I don't need negativity on my post. I have plenty in my life as it is. I am looking for support and comfort. I need to rebuild my life, and see how others coped with life, similar to mine.
Most respectful,
Puternut
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Myths
by rocketman inlast night, abc tv's 20/20 aired a one-hour segment entitled "lies, myths, and downright stupidity", hosted by john stossel.
the intent of the program was to prove that certain commonly held beliefs (such as the myth that exposure to cold makes one catch a cold) are untrue.. listed as the number one myth was: "life is getting worse", a look at the common notion that the world has continually become worse as a place to live.
evidence was presented that debunks this claim, such as:.
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I saw the same show. And admitedly, I have stood in the same shoes on the perhaps same doorsteps. If you are programmed to think that the world looks like a toilet bowl, and compare that with the pretty pictures in the publications about the 'clean' new world, yes this is not the place to be. But I have seen some pretty dirty things going on in the organization and my eyes have been opened to some ugly things. And if you think for a moment how God could possibly bless that, you are mistaken.
The show made a good point. It's not as bleak as some may make it. There IS a lot of good happening. And things ARE being resolved. And there IS life outside of the organization. I think I just flushed the toilet on that group.
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what do you believe???
by walker22 ini have been df for a nummber of years now and have recently been doing research via the web for the past few weeks.
mostly because my new husband has been also doing his own research because i have been saying for years i want to go back, but never have and he had questions about the religion that he didnt understand.
the only time i ever go to the hall is for the memorial.
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I have been doing some serious research on many things about the organization from a birds eye view. I felt I owed this to myself, since I was in the middle of it. I was an elder for some time and I must admit that there were a lot of new thoughts (brighter light) coming through, that personally, I could not agree with. But trying to be humble and faithful at that time, I swallowed what was given to me.
I am finding that ALL organized religion, has a scare tactic and hope tactic. And the WT is no different. You will be guilt ridden if you don't accept blindly the things you are being taught. Did you ever try to express your comments at the WT study, that were not in the paragraph? You wouldn't dream of it. But you may have wanted to? If you did you would be sure you would be called after meeting into the little room with some elders, and asked not to express your own thoughts. We all know we were given a brain, and are allowed to think and express what we feel. Isn't the KH a public place after all? Where we can comment? Yet the only answers you are allowed to give, are the ones that are printed on a page for you. In other words, EVERYTHING you read and study you have to accept at face value, or else you will be looked down upon, and eventually marked.
So we were being trained to mold ourselves in accord with someone else's thinking. Where does that leave us as unique creatures to use our own heart and mind, and express how we perceive Bible understanding. There were over the course of time numerous scriptures, which I understood totally different. But kept my mouth shut. But guess what? Over time there were new aricles printed with 'new' understanding, that I had know about for a long time. So my point is, that when you do your own research. And use your own GOD given mind, you will find what is right and wrong. The Bible was writen I feel by God for us. How we understand it is our personal conviction. And no one needs to tell us how or what we should do, without proper backing. And this is where the WT has failed. There are so many personal ideas that are imposed on us from the top, that are not even in the Bible. And yet it's being explained to us as fact.
Hope this helps
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My heart is ripped out !!
by Puternut ini am absolutly miserable !.
i am a newbie here, some of you have seen my posts.
and for those of you, who are old timers, this is no news to you.
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To all of you honest, sincere, caring and understanding friends. I would like to express my deepest thanks for all the wonderful and kindest expressions. It is comforting to know that others have and are experiencing the things that I am just now going through. Some more than others, yet we all seem to understand the feelings and inner emotions that we all have. I am grateful that I am able to come here, and being able to vent my frustrations, anger, sorrow. By no means am I minimizing the hurt that others are feeling. But I needed to start somewhere, and being able to come to a board like this and pour out my soul, is a way to heal. I know and appreciate the time it will take, in order to find who I really am.
Some of you wanted to know about my family, since I didn't mention them. In short; I have two girls one 19 and 16. I am recently divorced and had added grief with that as well. The thing that hurts the most is that I am unable to see my girls, since they are living with my ex. And ALL my family and friends are JW's.
When I came to this country, within one year I had a new business, a new religion, a new language, and a new wife (pioneer). So I had a lot to contend with, as far as adjustments is concerned. Now within one year I have been df'd, divorced, lost my children, and some dear friends, and thanks to my ex, am bankrupt. When I was younger I had the energy to deal with all of that. Now I am in my 40's and things look scary to me. Again most of you advise me to take the time that I have now to re-group. And that is just what I needed to hear. I wanted to know how others have dealt with their lives, and what they have done to have a purpose in life.
I care a great deal about people, and I see that others care as well. And I am touched by all the expression made in this post. Thank you all for welcoming me with open arms, and not judging me for who I am or what I was caught up in. I do have a brain and I know how to use it. But yet I don't have all the answers, especially in my case, since I am freshly out of the organization.
So I am firm in the fact that I will stay here with you for a while, so that I can get to know some of you better. And someday I wish to be of aid to others in need as well.
With a tear of joy and some hope, thank you all from the bottom of my heart,
Ary
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My heart is ripped out !!
by Puternut ini am absolutly miserable !.
i am a newbie here, some of you have seen my posts.
and for those of you, who are old timers, this is no news to you.
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I can barely type, since I have a face full of tears. I feel so lost. I still feel I need to belong to something. I was so active and I am absolutely doing nothing about my faith. I am actually mad at God. Is there one? Do I now just fend for my self as far as a belief is concerned?
Thank you all so much for the replies. Please keep them coming. I need all the help and support. It's good to know there are many out there, who have gone through the same thing. I find this the only board where I can be understood and be heard.
I love you all,
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My heart is ripped out !!
by Puternut ini am absolutly miserable !.
i am a newbie here, some of you have seen my posts.
and for those of you, who are old timers, this is no news to you.
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I am absolutly miserable !
I am a newbie here, some of you have seen my posts. And for those of you, who are old timers, this is no news to you. But I have been doing some serious research on the Society. Things like the UN scandal, which is new to me. I was totally unaware of this, while I was in the organization. The investments by the Society in War Fare technology. And who knows what else I will find.
I feel so betrayed! Here I have been an elder and presiding overseer for over 18 years. I have given public talks, circuit assembly discourses, district parts, openly condeming the UN, the view on war and neutrality. I have disfellowshipped so many, I lost count after a while, all in line with the Societies guidelines and Bible principles. I have written letters to government officials in many lands, to ask to please respect the stand on neutrality, in behalf of the brothers who were assassinated, beaten and persecuted.
And here behind my back, the Society has in secret done things that are abominable. The things I was asked to read and research, was in total contrast with what they were actually doing themselves. If 'one' member of the organization did this, we would have a committee on our hands. And here the faithful slave is doing things that are of committee nature themselves.
I have given my LIFE to this organization, and gave up so much in order to be a good witness. I had to change my whole life in order to do the things the society outlined for christians. I had to have a humble attitude when things were changed in 'views', or when the 'light got brighter'. It was all very confusing, but I had to go along with the organization's new policies, if I were to remain not only a good witness, but also an elder.
I feel I have waisted 24 years of my life, in which I could have done so many other things. I feel back stabbed and betrayed. All this dedicated time for NOTHING. Why has everything been so secret?
I feel like the organization has ripped my heart out.
The only good thing that I am left with, is that I have an better understanding of the scriptures, but not according to the organization's view.
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Can't you just FEEL the love?
by Puternut inhad a call from an elder yesterday: "hi, this is elder n. we haven't seen you in a while, just checking up on you.
oh btw, we haven't received the eldersbook back from you........".
did he really wanted to see how i was doing?
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Actually my book is full of personal study notes from many years. I did the work, and so I get to keep it. Besides I know that this book is available on the Internet and you can read all the pages for yourself. Who cares if I have a copy or not. Others can read it anytime they want on the Net. Here's a link http://watchtower.observer.org/ Look under "Secret Books" and find "Paying Attention to Yourselves and to all the Flock"