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  It's official -

  by joannadandy in

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  some of you may have heard through the grapevine already, but it's official... .

  i'm engaged.

  i got those lovely flowers below sent to me at work, and i officially got my rock after a swank dinner and carriage ride around a park.

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  Congratulations to a genuine Sweetie !

  And to the lucky, lucky guy...I just want to say...I have a shotgun and a shovel, so, treat her like the Queen she is...

  I always wanted to say that.

  Father Rabbit
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  Iranian Women "Honored" on Thursday !

  by Rabbit in

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  http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070704/wl_nm/iran_khamenei_women_dc_1;_ylt=akt2uvvuc93za2taib9xdnn0wnwv.

  don't "play" with islamic law, iranian women told 43 minutes ago .

  activists should not try to change islamic laws relating to women's rights, iran's supreme leader said on wednesday, two days after one campaigner was reportedly sentenced to 34 months in jail and ten lashes.. ayatollah ali khamenei, also lambasted the west for using women as a tool to advertise products, make money and to satisfy "disorderly and unlawful sexual needs," state television said.. he was addressing a group of women, most dressed conservatively in head-to-toe black chadors, in tehran ahead of thursday's anniversary of the birth of prophet mohammad's daughter, fatima, when iran honors mothers and women.. campaigners say iranian women face difficulties in getting a divorce and criticize inheritance laws they say are unjust and the fact their court testimony is worth half that of a man's.. the islamic republic rejects allegations it is discriminating against women, saying it follows sharia law.. "we are witnessing in our country that some women activists and some men are trying to play with islamic laws ... in order to harmonize them with international conventions related to women," khamenei said.

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  Bueller...? Anyone...? Bueller...?
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  Iranian Women "Honored" on Thursday !

  by Rabbit in

  1. social
  2. current

  http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070704/wl_nm/iran_khamenei_women_dc_1;_ylt=akt2uvvuc93za2taib9xdnn0wnwv.

  don't "play" with islamic law, iranian women told 43 minutes ago .

  activists should not try to change islamic laws relating to women's rights, iran's supreme leader said on wednesday, two days after one campaigner was reportedly sentenced to 34 months in jail and ten lashes.. ayatollah ali khamenei, also lambasted the west for using women as a tool to advertise products, make money and to satisfy "disorderly and unlawful sexual needs," state television said.. he was addressing a group of women, most dressed conservatively in head-to-toe black chadors, in tehran ahead of thursday's anniversary of the birth of prophet mohammad's daughter, fatima, when iran honors mothers and women.. campaigners say iranian women face difficulties in getting a divorce and criticize inheritance laws they say are unjust and the fact their court testimony is worth half that of a man's.. the islamic republic rejects allegations it is discriminating against women, saying it follows sharia law.. "we are witnessing in our country that some women activists and some men are trying to play with islamic laws ... in order to harmonize them with international conventions related to women," khamenei said.

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  http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070704/wl_nm/iran_khamenei_women_dc_1;_ylt=AkT2UvVuC93ZA2taib9XDnN0WnwV

  Don't "play" with Islamic law, Iranian women told

  43 minutes ago

  Activists should not try to change Islamic laws relating to women's rights, Iran's supreme leader said on Wednesday, two days after one campaigner was reportedly sentenced to 34 months in jail and ten lashes.

  Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, also lambasted the West for using women as a tool to advertise products, make money and to satisfy "disorderly and unlawful sexual needs," state television said.

  He was addressing a group of women, most dressed conservatively in head-to-toe black chadors, in Tehran ahead of Thursday's anniversary of the birth of Prophet Mohammad's daughter, Fatima, when Iran honors mothers and women.

  Campaigners say Iranian women face difficulties in getting a divorce and criticize inheritance laws they say are unjust and the fact their court testimony is worth half that of a man's.

  The Islamic Republic rejects allegations it is discriminating against women, saying it follows sharia law.

  "We are witnessing in our country that some women activists and some men are trying to play with Islamic laws ... in order to harmonize them with international conventions related to women," Khamenei said. "This is wrong."

  "They shouldn't see the solution in changing Islamic jurisprudence laws," Khamenei, Iran's highest authority, was quoted as saying.

  But he indicated some Islamic rules regarding women could change if jurisprudence research led to a new understanding, state television said.

  Although women are legally entitled to hold most jobs in Iran, it remains a male-dominated society. They cannot run for president or become judges but in recent years they have started to work in police and fire departments.

  On Monday, an Iranian court sentenced a women's rights activist to almost three years in jail and 10 lashes for attending a banned rally, her lawyer said on Tuesday.

  Lawyer Nasrin Sotoudeh said Delaram Ali, 24, was her fourth client to be convicted over last year's protest in favor of female rights. She said the sentence would be appealed and that Ali was free on bail.

  Rights activists and Western diplomats say Iran is taking a tougher line against dissent in general, possibly in response to increased international pressure over its disputed nuclear activities. Pro-reform students, intellectuals and labor movement figures are also among those targeted, they say.

  Iran rejects accusations over its human rights record, saying the West should focus on its own rights problems instead.

  The West suspects Tehran is developing an atomic bomb, a charge Tehran denies. The U.N. Security Council is discussing imposing a third round of sanctions on Iran in the atomic row.

  Copyright © 2007 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon.

  Geez...even in Iran... people get to celebrate Mother's Day. Unless, they're Witnesses, of course. Rabbit (going to a 4th of July Parade !)
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  JW's celebrating the largest national birthday of all -- you heard me!

  by Fatfreek in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my non-jw son just called from another state.

  i asked him if he's attending any fireworks display tomorrow in observance of our nation's birthday.

  he laughed, knowing that i was digging the lack of birthday celebrations amongst jw's.

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  I always took my JW family to see the fireworks at the various celebrations.

  After all we weren't actually celebrating -- we were just lookin'...

  We always bought and shot-off our own fireworks.

  After all, we weren't actually celebrating -- we just had a couple of opportunities a year to get fireworks. Nothing demonized about a little gunpowder.

  Rabbit
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  Who is Henrietta M. Riley

  by cultswatter in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i googled that name and found a trust fund that is named after her.

  i also found the tax returns for 2005,2004,2003 for that fund.

  the riley trust funds largest revenue is oil and gas royalties and in 2005 over 3 million dollars of oil and gas royalties flowed into the riley trust fund.

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  It doesn't matter who owns the land -- only the mineral rights underneath it. More than likely, the WTS obtained the mineral rights by being the beneficiary of this will or trust.

  The natural heirs may have lost everything, because, the WTS got it to "preach the good news of God's Kingdom - in these really. really, Last Days."

  I'll bet there is some mad "Rileys" !

  Rabbit
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  Egypt Outlaws all Female Circumcision

  by Rabbit in

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  egypt has somewhat joined civilization.

  with all the misogynistic practises in the middle east already, taking away a woman's right to actually enjoy sexual relations, is barbaric and pitiful.

  their 'lot' in life in one (1) more country just got a little better.

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  The following excerpt is from the 1st link in stealyourface's post:

  [..] current practice shows no signs of a decline in popularity, with more than 90 per cent of mothers questioned supporting the practice continuing.

  And one in five mothers even suggested social sanctions should be imposed on girls who were uncircumcised.

  The above dove-tails perfectly with what the religious arguments above - it is not an obligation, but an “honourable practice”. But far disturbing still are stories about the hundreds, if not thousands of Christian women from Indonesia’s Molucca Islands who were forcibly converted to Islam and in the process forcibly circumcised:

  Christian woman recalls horror of forced conversion to Islam

  Posted on May 1, 2001 | by Brittany Jarvis

  AMBON, Indonesia (BP)–”My scar healed quite fast, but the sad, humiliated feeling stayed. I feel like I’m no longer complete, both as a person and a woman.”

  That is the testimony of Christina Sagat, a 32-year-old Christian from Kasiui, Indonesia, who was forcibly circumcised by her Muslim neighbors. Unfortunately, as traumatic as her story sounds, hundreds of women have endured similar oppression.

  “My niece, Cecilia, who at that time was eight months pregnant, was also circumcised,” Sagat said. “My mother, who was in her 70s, was also circumcised. Teenagers, and even infants, were circumcised. I don’t understand these people.”

  [..]

  More details on whats been happening on Ambon Island and other Molucca Islands, where thousands of people have been killed, and hundreds of thousands displaced here. Hundreds of Christian families have been given the choice - convert or die. The women and children are then separated from the men and “converted”. Men and children are circumcised using the same dirty razor blade and then told to go and wash in the sea to disinfect the heavily bleeding wounds...

  *sigh* I hate religion...
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  Brazilian apostasy need some help

  by Ex-JWs Brazil in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  hello "brothers"!

  we have a discussion forum in portuguese similar to this.

  http://www.tjlivres.cjb.net/

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  I cannot help you with the translation info, but, I did want to Welcomeyou to this forum. It is so nice to see other Ex-JW's popping up all over the world trying to give support and help to exiting Witnesses.

  Rabbit
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  Egypt Outlaws all Female Circumcision

  by Rabbit in

  1. social
  2. current

  egypt has somewhat joined civilization.

  with all the misogynistic practises in the middle east already, taking away a woman's right to actually enjoy sexual relations, is barbaric and pitiful.

  their 'lot' in life in one (1) more country just got a little better.

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  There's still just NO reason...that I can see to be amputating body parts for non-medical issues. In the following that Merry posted, the author is still acting as an apologist for Mohammad. (i.e. if the son of god said it, it must be a 'good thing'.

  TYPES OF CIRCUMCISION

  a) Removal of the hood (or prepuce) of the clitoris. This procedure is, to some degree, analgous to male circumcision since in both cases, no part of the sexual organ is cut off. In both cases also, it is only the foreskin, or outer fold of the skin, which is cut off. Properly done, it is not likely to cause any "matrimonial" problem. While some may call it "sunnah circumcision," this is their own appellation and not that of the Prophet (P) who used the term Sunnah only in the context of male circumcision.
  

  b) Removal of the entire clitoris (clitorectomy) along with part of the labia minora, which is satured together leaving an opening. This is a form of mutilation.

  c) Removal of the entire clitoris, labia minora and medial part of the labia majora, whith both sides of the female organ stitched together leaving a small opeing. This procedure requires tying together the child's legs of nearly three weeks. [9] It is called the Pharaonic procedure but may as well be called "mutilation".

  It is obvious that the second and third procedures were never mandated, encouraged or even consented to by the Prophet (P). They even violate a known rule in Shari'ah prohibiting the cutting off [Removal] of any part of the human body except for unavoidable reasons (e.g. medical treatment, trimming nails or hair, or for an explicitly specified reason such as male circumcision). Such necessity or need does not exist in female circumcision. Nothing justifies genital mutilation. In fact, no mutilation is allowed by Islam even in the battlefield. Not only are these two procedures unjustifiable, they are brutal, inhumane and in violation of Islam.

  Removal = cutting off = Removal !

  Sorry, but (A) IMHO..."is a form of mutilation," too. But, when religious authority puts their Seal of Approval on this, it becomes God's/Allah's/Jehovah's Law.

  Pitiful.

  Rabbit
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  Egypt Outlaws all Female Circumcision

  by Rabbit in

  1. social
  2. current

  egypt has somewhat joined civilization.

  with all the misogynistic practises in the middle east already, taking away a woman's right to actually enjoy sexual relations, is barbaric and pitiful.

  their 'lot' in life in one (1) more country just got a little better.

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  There is, however, a more authentic Hadeeth in which Prophet Muhammad (P) is reported to have passed by a woman performing circumcision on a young girl. He instructed the woman by saying:
  

  "Cut off only the foreskin (outer fold of skin over the clitoris; the prepuce) but do not cut off deeply (i.e. the clitoris itself), for this is brighter for the face (of the girl) and more favorable with the husband." [8]

  While the Prophet (P) did not explicitly ban this practice, his words project a great deal of sensitivity to the instinctive needs of females and their matrimonal happiness and legitimate enjoyment.

  *sigh*"...a great deal of sensitivity..." ????????

  I picture the prophet (son of god) walking along...and sees a woman, obviously in public, with her naked young daughter, possibly tied down...scared, screaming in agony and fear of her mother, ...who is slicing off sensitive pieces of her bleeding flesh.

  Mohammad comes by with his posse of men (like Jesus) and says, "Cut off only the foreskin (outer fold of skin over the clitoris; the prepuce) but do not cut off deeply (i.e. the clitoris itself), for this is brighter for the face (of the girl) and more favorable with the husband."

  Yeah...f~~king sensitive guy ! The only sensitive one was the poor, scared, bleeding, confused little girl !

  And apparently, both of these men who claimed to be the 'sons of god', agreed in practice, that God screwed up while creating men and women -- He gave them too many body parts ! Jewish boys were under OT Law to have their unneeded body part chopped off. If we're looking for the origins of circumcision...I think 'God's Word' in the Bible is a good place to start.

  I am glad to see that female circumcision did not start with Islam, but, the important thing is 'who' accepts it -- and 'who' doesn't try to stop it. As Ex-JW's know all to well...the 'rank & file' members in high control religions...do what they are told. Even if the Quran just 'allows' it -- for most members that means "you better do it". Remember how it was when the Watchtower makes "suggestions" on some subject ? Any "suggestion" was and is viewed as..."God's desire".

  Some things never change...

  Rabbit
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  Court: ... woman can't sue minister

  by Rabbit in

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  http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/153404.html friday, jun 29, 2007 posted on fri, jun.

  29, 2007court says woman can't sue minister.

  by max b. baker.

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  I don't know if it's possible, but, I hope this will be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court. The clergy has the legal right 'not' to have to reveal confidential information told to them by a congregant -- in court cases -- so, how can it be OK, when they want to spread gossip ?

  This is wrong. Are doctors going to get that right to gosip next ?

  Rabbit