I was a metal head in my teens, became a JW and stopped listening, now I am back to metal in my late 30's. So not all youth go wild after leaving.
Jahna
"Forever trusting in who we are, and nothing else matters" Metallica
Posts by Jahna
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14Goth/Punk/Metalhead/Rivethead XJWs on this forum
by ColdRedRain ini've noticed that alot of jw youth that leave the faith in their late teens and early twenties become one of those 4 things, yet i haven't seen many in this forum.
it might also be that i'm not here that often (380 posts since oct of '02).
anyways, if there are any, speak up.
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Marital Status after Armageddon
by robhic inwhat's the deal regarding marriage and marital status after the "big 'a'"?
i was once referred to mat 22:29 where jesus says that resurrected people will be like angels and neither marry or be given in marriage.
but that doesn't cover all the possibilities.. i have also read (but a search doens't give me what i need) that those married couples surviving the big a will remain married in the new system.
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Jahna
To my understanding, death it?s self severes the ties of matrimony. That means once your spouse dies you are no longer married in this system and therefore free to remarry in this system or the next, assuming you survive alive.
Single and survive means you are able to marry in the new system as well.
Dead and resurrected, well the scripture you cited seems to indicate you will not be able to marry. There is some problems with it. Single and living alone, mankind is not meant to do, that is why God created Eve. Healthy males and females have needs, and some of them require (by biblical law) a marriage partner to fill. It would seem unreasonable for all these healthy now young men and women forever living with sexual frustration, because they are forbidden to marry, and fornication along with masturbation is bad bad bad. We won?t even go into homosexual relationships because all of these single resurrected people need some kind of companionship.
The other side of the fence indicates that the resurrected will be able to marry (guess they forgot that cited scripture), which is why many today won?t remarry in this system as they choose to wait and remarry their spouse. So one could assume that the resurrected are free to marry whom ever they wish as their original marriage contract was severed by their death.
I have always understood that marriage will remain in place for at the very least a time. The marriage union allows for God?s primary command ?be fruitful and multiply? to be fulfilled. Once the world is populated, who knows what will follow. And of course the standard, in due time we will know the answers so have faith seem to be the final words on this subject by many.
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Please help with list of ways WTBTS has gone beyond scriptures...
by FlyingHighNow ini want to compile a list of ways the wtbts has gone beyond scripture.
deciding that god will destroy you forever if you smoke cigarettes.
i know someone will come back and say there have been 900 threads on this subject.
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Thanks Blondie
I read it but I don?t believe it! I left in 97 so I never read that Question from Readers. I never thought it was an issue. Now, I just am speechless. For a group that almost makes those with children feel guilty about it, and condemn those who use sterilization as a method to control the number of children one has, it is just amazing.
I love the reasoning, btw...you might stumble someone. Oh boy, that seems to be the catch all phrase for everything. It?s not what is best for us/me but what it looks like to everyone else in the world. Who said you can please everyone anyways, and what if you stumble someone any ways. Good grief. I am stumbled just reading this crap!
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Love or Hate Field Service
by XBEHERE inhow many of you went out in the field because you had to or because you wanted to?
if because you had to, how did you feel while doing it?
just curious.
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Jahna
I loved the coffee breaks! The rest well good moments and bad.
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Please help with list of ways WTBTS has gone beyond scriptures...
by FlyingHighNow ini want to compile a list of ways the wtbts has gone beyond scripture.
deciding that god will destroy you forever if you smoke cigarettes.
i know someone will come back and say there have been 900 threads on this subject.
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Clothing dogma.
I remember walking door to door in -40c in a skirt, with track pants, leggings and a long to the floor coat on. You couldn?t even see the skirt but you had to wear it no matter what. Talk about cold!
No beards, who thought that up. Interestingly a brother from Europe came to visit my family and he showed me some pictures from Europe. This brother wore a beard. It?s acceptable there! But here, no he had to shave it off to be accepted.
Not be able to go bare legged for a sister! Not all congregations had this ?rule? but even in the hot summers you had to wear panty hose or else. (Song of doom heard in the back ground).
Brothers must wear a suit jacket, long sleeved shirts and tie, no matter what. I have been in non air conditioned halls where the inside temperature reached well above a hundred, no breeze and high humidity. Suit jackets and all the rest. The men looked like morons. Take off your jacket in such a case. Are we not supposed to be ?reasonable?? No it?s better to pass out on the platform from heat stroke.
Need the list go on. It appears that outward appearance means more then common sense or shifts in society perception on attire. It?s a wonder we are not all still wearing long dresses and top hats.
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Not being able to listen to the music I happen to like. I am still waiting for all this heavy metal to turn me into a drug and alcohol addicted town whore possessed by demons. And I am 38! Also believing everything in the Watchtower is true, my mother still comes up with some real winners that are Urban Legends, myths and totally untrue. Jahna
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Things that really bothered you.....
by bakedmonkeepie ini was thinking about the "glorious" past of my association with the witnesses..... and i started thinking.
were there ever things that really really bothered you that they were doing, and it made you stop and think about what you were really getting involved in?
mine would be at an assembly.
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I can relate with you Wendy. When I was pregnant with my second child I almost lost her and was placed on complete bed rest. One sister came over once a week to clean for the book study I had in my house and that was all. I was left alone with my toddler and a bed, not to mention we lived in the country. My mother in law had some back problems and all the sisters were there canning for her! Thanks a lot kind congregation. It was the beginning of the end for me, I will never forget that treatment, for as long as I live. For several years after this when I read about the loving brotherhood found in the congregation ect in the Watchtower ect, all I could do was cry. Jahna
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Another survey from Lee
by Lady Lee inreading simon's post about how things used to be i started thinking about how the internet has changed things.
many believe the internet and the freedom of information it contains will be the undoing of the wts.. when i was a jw, there were a few dfings but maybe one a year or even less.
people drifted away but we really didn't pay a lot of attention unless it was a close friend.. in here we see new people coming in all the time.
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* What year did you leave? 1997
* How old were you when you left? 31
* Did the internet have anything to do with your decision to leave?
Yes and no. Yes I found out that worldly people were not as bad as all that, and that they cared for me more then the congregation did. Those worldly people of course were found online as I would never have thought to look offline for such association.
* If you left before you got on the internet what reading did you do about the WTS or cults that helped you make your decision? N/A
* What was the one most important reason that helped you decide to leave (even if the decision was made for you through a Dfing).
Realizing it wasn?t me being a bad person which made me feel as if I was a leper in the congregation. I spent years thinking God didn?t really want me, but I kept staying for the children. When I finally left I left still thinking Jehovah?s holy spirit had left me and I was honestly thinking, I was going to die. It didn?t make much difference back then if it was sooner rather then later.
* If you left and still thought it was "the truth" what helped you change your mind?
Re learning how to live life again. I have never even thought to research anything to do with Witnesses until about a month ago. I have felt all along, if God doesn?t want me, so what, it?s my life and I am going to live it my way. I am not a bad person, if the congregation doesn?t like who I am, so be it. I don?t need them in my life anymore. I no longer yearn to be part of something that made me feel so lonely for years. After reading this site and a few more, I am beginning to question a whole lot more then, brotherly affection. I have to admit, the Dateline show hit me hard. Now I am happy I am no longer part of the congregation.
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Just Another Example of "Where is the Love?"
by codeblue ini just had a delivery from fed-ex , i accepted a package for my neighbor at her request since she wouldn't be at home.
the fed-ex guy looked confused as i opened the door.
i cleared up the confusion by telling him that since my neighbor was working, she wanted me to accept her package.
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Jahna
Hello.
Funny, when I was going, I never ever missed a meeting, even through three pregnancies. All my children were less then a week old at their first meeting. I suddenly realized how much "love" was in the congregation when I got sick and was in bed a few days. My internet quilting group missed me more then the congregation. My email was filled with, where are you, we missed you today, where as the local congragation never noticed. I left about 4 months later full time.
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What album make you feel better?
by Nosferatu inis there a certain album that you own that just makes you feel a hell of a lot better?
for me, it's cinderella's "still climbing" album.
it's about life in general, about how it sucks, but you gotta make it work for yourself.
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Jahna
Hello everyone
I don't have "a" album just a group and that would be Metallica. they have helped me through a divorce and finding myself afterwards, not to mention giving me the spirit to move forward in my life without the Organization. Without a doubt, the artist and the style of music has helped me through out my adult life.
Funny, when I was growing up with a Witness mother, she told me metal music would make me a whore, alcoholic and drug addict not to mention be demonized. Some 20 years later I still haven't seen any of that happen. For the time I stayed away from my preferred music, while being an active Witness, I just couldn't bring myself into the head space of "all will be fine" and I became more and more frustrated with my life and life in general.
It's amazing that my so called "anger music" makes me feel so much better.
Jahna
Forever trusting in who we are, and nothing else matters....Metallica