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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-18-04 WT Study

  by blondie in

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  comments you will not hear at the 4-18-04 (week of 4/12-18, 2004) wt study (march 1, 2004 issue)

  review comments will be in black and parentheses ().

  wt quotes will be in red and quotes "".

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  grows1

  As always, I am never disappointed by your disections of the study material. Thanks again and please continue.
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  my next door neighbour is mentally abusing her 16 mo old baby...

  by azaria in

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  the question isn't if i should do something about this, but how should i respond.

  i only want to go to facs (family & childrens services) as a last resort.

  i have considered asking if i could talk to her (in a non-threatening way), because i'm concerned for both of them.

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  Call the authorities. Don't wait for the physical abuse to start. Intervene now. You'll prevent things from escalating into something much worse. She may not appreciate it now, but in the long run, if she's got half a brain, she'll thank you for it later. And the baby sure will appreciate it.
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  In the US: Our Children Will Be Subjected to Selective Service Very Soon

  by gespro in

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  has this been discussed already?

  if it has, please point me to the thread addressing this

  i just heard this last night.

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  Cannon fodder doesn't need much of a brain- just a body and a gun.
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  Did anyone ever ask FDR to appologise for Pearl Harbor?

  by blindfool in

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  last night president bush had a news conference and was asked by several reporters if he thought he should appologise for the 9-11 attacks.. i wonder how fdr would have responded to such a question about pearl harbor?.

  how about chruchhill?

  can you imagine his response if asked to appologise for hitler bombing london?

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  Here is some info I put together on ricin and Hussein crimes. Please note that neither orgs are known as bastions of conservative right wing politics.

  http://www.emedicinehealth.com/articles/42387-1.asp

  Ricin

  Overview

  In attempting to evaluate and discuss substances that could be used as an agent of biological warfare or as a weapon of mass destruction (WMD), the question, "What can cause a maximum credible event?" is hopefully answered, as such: a maximum credible event is one that could cause a large loss of life, in addition to disruption, panic, and overwhelming use of civilian health care resources.

  For an agent to be considered capable of causing a maximum credible event, it should be highly lethal, inexpensively and easily produced in large quantities, stable in aerosol form, and have the ability to be dispersed. The ideal agent is also communicable from person to person and has no treatment or vaccine.

  Ricin is one potent toxin that could potentially be used as an agent of biological warfare or as a WMD. Derived from the beans of the castor plant (Ricinus communis), ricin is widely available. Ricin is also easily and inexpensively produced, is highly toxic, and is stable in aerosolized form. Ricin has no treatment or vaccine, but it is not communicable from person to person.

  Although a large amount of ricin would be necessary to produce the desired effect of a WMD, it would be highly effective as a disabling agent. Ricin can be disseminated as an aerosol, by injection, or as a food and water contaminant. Its use as a food and water contaminant is a major concern because of its ease of availability. If used as a food and water contaminant, ricin could easily incapacitate many people and overwhelm local health care resources.

  In the

  On February 4, 2004, as part of the ongoing investigation as to the source of this most recent ricin attack, the Secret Service acknowledged that ricin had also been found at a White House mail-processing center in early November 2003.

  Based on another published report, a vial containing ricin was found at a post office in , in October 2003. The envelope, addressed to the federal Transportation Department, was labeled ?caution RICIN POISON.? The letter, protesting a proposed federal limit on the number of truckers? hours behind the wheel to go into effect in January 2004, was signed ?Fallen Angel.?

  Officials suspect that the attacks in October 2003 and November 2003 are related because both letters were signed ?Fallen Angel? and contained ricin of poor quality. The FBI is currently investigating whether these two earlier attacks are at all related to the ricin found in the Senate mailroom in February 2004.

  Previously in the , from 1991-1997, 3 cases have been related to ricin.

  In 1991 in , 4 members of the Patriots Council, an extremist group that held antigovernment and antitax ideals and advocated the overthrow of the government, were arrested for plotting to kill a marshal with ricin. The ricin was produced in a home laboratory. They planned to mix the ricin with the solvent dimethyl sulfoxide (DMSO) and then smear it on the door handles of the marshal's vehicle. The plan was discovered, and the 4 men were convicted.

  In 1995, a man entered from on his way to . Canadian custom officials stopped the man and found him in possession of several guns, $98,000, and a container of white powder, which was identified as ricin.

  In 1997, a man shot his stepson in the face. Investigators discovered a makeshift laboratory in his basement and found agents such as ricin and nicotine sulfate.

  The use of ricin is not limited to the ; cases have been reported elsewhere.

  In December 2002, 6 terrorist suspects were arrested in ; their apartment was serving as a "ricin laboratory." Among them was a 27-year-old chemist who was producing the toxin.

  Later, on , British police raided 2 residences around and found traces of ricin, which led to an investigation of a possible Chechen separatist plan to attack the Russian embassy with the toxin. Several arrests were made.

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  A Human Rights Watch Policy Paper

  December 2002 (Farsi)

  http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/mena/iraq1217bg.htm

  HRW policy on

  Needs to Screen Iraqi Opposition Allies

  Genocide in : The Anfal Campaign Against the Kurds

  Endless Torment

  The 1991 Uprising in And Its Aftermath

  Human Rights Watch Reports on Military Actions

  Needless Deaths in The Gulf War

  More...

  The Arab Ba?ath Socialist Party has been in power in since 1968. Under the leadership of President Saddam Hussein, who seized power in 1979, the Iraqi government has committed a vast number of crimes against the Iraqi people and others, using terror through various levels of police, military, and intelligence agencies to control and intimidate large segments of the Iraqi population.

  Two Iraqi groups in particular have suffered horrific abuses?the Kurds in the north, and Shi`a populations in the south. Two decades of oppression against ?s Kurds and Kurdish resistance culminated in 1988 with a genocidal campaign, and the use of chemical weapons, against Kurdish civilians, resulting in over 100,000 deaths. After the 1991 Gulf War, in the aftermath of a popular uprising in the South, Iraq drained the marsh regions and sent in the military with tanks to shell and burn villages, causing tens of thousands of Marsh Arabs, who are Shi`a, to flee to Iran. The Iraqi military has also used chemical weapons in its war against Iran, committed serious human rights violations during its occupation of Kuwait, and committed other crimes????Saddam Hussein and others, including, but not limited to, members of Hussein's inner circle, members of the Revolutionary Command Council, and senior and upper-middle level members of the Iraqi military, security, and intelligence forces are responsible for a vast number of crimes that constitute genocide, war crimes, and crimes against humanity. The victims of such crimes include up to 290,000 persons who have been ?disappeared? since the late 1970s, many of whom are believed to have been killed. ?????..Attacks against the Iraqi Kurds. The government?s notorious attacks on the Iraqi Kurds have come in phases. Between 1977 and 1987, some 4,500-5,000 Kurdish villages were systematically destroyed and their inhabitants forcibly removed and made to live in ?resettlement camps.? ??.Commencing in the spring of 1987, thousands of Iraqi Kurds were killed during chemical and conventional bombardments.

  From February to September 1988, the Iraqi government launched the official ?Anfal? campaign, during which Iraqi troops swept through the highlands of Iraqi Kurdistan rounding up everyone who remained in government-declared ?prohibited zones.? More than 100,000 Kurds, mostly men and boys, were trucked to remote sites and executed.3

  The use of chemical weapons reached a peak in March 1988; in the town of alone, where a documented 3,200 people are believed to have died from chemical gas attacks, and the actual number may be more than 5,000.

  The killings constitute acts of genocide. The killings, forcible and arbitrary transfer of populations, and chemical weapons attacks amount to crimes against humanity??Repression of the Marsh Arabs and other Shi`a. During the early years of the Iran-Iraq war, the Iraqi government arrested thousands of Shi`a Muslims on the charge of supporting the 1979 revolution in . Many have ?disappeared? or remain unaccounted for; others died under torture or were executed. This campaign was followed by the forced expulsion of over half a million Shi`a during the 1980s to , after the separation out of many male family members. These men and boys, estimated to number between 50,000-70,000, were arrested and imprisoned indefinitely without charge; most remain unaccounted for.

  ????There have also been a staggering number of ?disappearances??believed to range between 250,000-290,000. In addition to the 50,000-70,000 Shi?a cases described above, and the 100,000 Kurdish victims, ?disappearances? have included:

  An estimated 8,000 Barzani males removed from resettlement camps in Iraqi Kurdistan in 1983;

  10,000 or more males said to have been separated from Feyli Kurdish families deported to during the 1980s;

  Shi`a Muslim clerics and their students from al-Najaf and ;

  Over 600 Kuwaitis and third country nationals who disappeared after their arrest during the occupation of ........

  you can easily find all the info you ever wanted to know thru google.
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  In the US: Our Children Will Be Subjected to Selective Service Very Soon

  by gespro in

  1. social
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  has this been discussed already?

  if it has, please point me to the thread addressing this

  i just heard this last night.

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  I wonder how many Senators, Congressmans , Dept of Defense, Prez, VP and other high gov officials kids and grandkids will get exemptions? Very few served in Vietnam. I only know of 1 Repub Congressman's (from Tex)kid who is serving in Iraq. They sure like to send our kids off to war but very few of their own ever serve. If it is reinstituted there should not be any exemptions for college students, or women. Also, medical exemption should be limited to the severly disabled- all others should and could serve in support (non combat) roles supporting the fighting troops (This could be used to draft all of those kids with phony excuses bigwigs buy for their kids )- and the gov officials kids should be first up for the pick and should fill ALL combat and support positions 1st- then the rest of our kids would be called up- this should become the law of the land. How many wars do you think we'd be in then??????
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  WT legal licking its lips??

  by Pork Chop in

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  url: sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/04/13/bagio640m811.dtl

  a former member and longtime critic of the church of scientology has been ordered by a marin county judge to pay the church $500,000 for speaking out against the controversial religious movement.

  superior court judge lynn duryee issued that order in a breach-of- contract lawsuit against scientology defector gerald armstrong.

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  When you get baptized under the new 1985 JW profession of faith, it reads and sounds like an implied contract with the WTBTS. Don't think that the legal dept. of the WTBTS isn't trying to figure out some way to use that profession of faithfullness to the org as some kind of bat to hit you over the head with.
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  Miracles of The Passion movie on TV Fri April 9 Sat Sun

  by d880640 in

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  on your cable fri sat sun.. trinity broadcasting network (tbn).

  call your cable company to see.

  what channel.

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  The best and least recognized miracle yet is that Islamic countries are allowing this movie to be seen thinking that it will fuel more anti Israel hatred and instead it is causing an unbelieveable and unlikely Christian witness among Moslems. Moslems who have viewed the movie have been clamboring for New Testament books from anyone and everyone they can get hold of. This is NOT what the Imams ,clerics and gov's were hoping for nor expecting. Imagine, in countries where the Christian message is prohibited and can cost you your life, a MOVIE is telling a story that has been denied to Moslem for 1500 years!!!!!! God does work in marvelous and mysterious ways, does He not????
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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-11-04 WT Study (1st one on FDS)

  by blondie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  comments you will not hear at the 4-11-04 (week of 4/5-11/2004) wt study (march 1, 2004 wt)

  review comments

  will be in black and parentheses ().

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  Great work as usual!!! Never too long Blondie. I love our disections. Please don't EVER think that they're too long. Most of the time when I read them I am left "thirsty" for more. You have no idea how helpful these articles are to those of us who can't "read between the lines".
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  God created only us?

  by Dan-O in

  1. jw
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  in the thread on 'which tv shows did you not watch because you were a witness?

  ", the comment was made that x-files was off the list (in part) because it involved aliens, and 'god created only us'.. now, i'll grant you that i've not attended meetings for about 20 years now, but i can't recall hearing this line of reasoning before.

  when did this "new light" get a fresh bulb?

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  In Ezekiel he constantly uses references to "earthling" man. Now why would that need to be a distinguishing title if there were no other "men"? What other kind of man could there be if we are the only man God created? I think that this is an allusion to other life forms that God has created in other places. God Himself says that He did not create the universe for nothing.
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  Why is the religious right in bed with Israel?

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it always seems strange to me that the religious right in america and elsewhere is so 'in bed' with israel.. if you look at the history and beliefs, surely christianity has more in common with muslims who believe in christ (as a prophet) then in judaism which was the very religion that christ was rejecting and was killed by!.

  surely for christians, the jews were "the bad guys" having rejected the messiah and forfeiting their position as gods chosen people?.

  so why the support?

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  With the continuing missteps, shining of "new light" to explain all of the "old light"bulbs blowing out, the mental gymnastics needed to decipher this weeks reinvention of last weeks mistatements, the UN issue, the pedophilia issue, the stocks in war companies issue, the lies, lies, lies, etc with the WTBTS, who has time for Pat Robertson or Zola Levitt?????