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shoot it down

by webclocker in

joseph was 30 when pharo gave him egypt,why because he prefigured jesus, david was 30 when god made him king,why because he prefigured jesus.why was jesus 30 when god gave him his ministry,because thats the age adam was when god gave him eve.. why would god put all of these scriptures in the bible if adam was only 25 or 26 when god made eve.

gen 41:46 num 4:3 num 4:23 2sam 5:4 1chron 23:3 luke 3:23 adam was the first king.

an age god decided a man was of age.because if jesus was 30 and adam was only 25 then the devil has a legal case that god is cheating, that jesus had longer to develop than adam.

Love_Truth

I continually find it amusing that people are still trying to predict that which Jesus clearly stated would be hidden from us, that is WHEN, and at the same time feel pity for such ones.

Faith in God, and service to him, faith in his Son's ransom sacrifice's power to redeem us, practicing the fruitages of the Holy Spirt, prayer, doing our utmost to avoid sin, and helping others do the same are what matter.

Everything else is an opinion, an interpretatiion, trivia, and missing what is important. The meaning of the locusts, the "date" on which Christ's parousia will occur, the length of Hezekiah's beard, etc- these are unnecccesary diversions to what is important- our salvation, and what is neccessary to gain it.

That, in a nutshell is what is wrong with EVERY religion, not just JWs.

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Building on WT sand?

by Narkissos in

a number of posts by recent and old members of jwd (i won't mention names) struck me as being only variants of the typical wt-stuff involving prophecies or chronology, based on mystical revelation and/or intensive personal study of the bible.

generally those posters did not adhere to any other church, nor went through the academic cursus of theological and biblical studies.

they seem to be quite lonely with their "truth", still persevere in it with remarkable consistency.

Love_Truth

Since I am new here, but not new at all to theology, or the JWs, I will not provide a complete answer to your question- YET. In time (a week or two, I will put together, based on my observations, what needs to be said in this forum. In other words, I will elaborate on these points then

For now, I will say this-

There are many ways that one can attempt to come to know God. Here is the path I believe to yield the greatest revelation, knowledge of God, and the best shot at salvation:

-Belief that the Bible, and ONLY the Bible, is the inspitred word of God.

-Belief that the New Testament provides all neccesary "core" rules and principles.

-Belief that the Old Testament provides insight on God's thinking, as well as clarification for ideologies presented in the New Testament.

-Belief that a small percentage of what is written in the New Testament are "rules", that much of what is written is subject to individual interpretation.

-That personal faith in God, along with the praticing of the Fruits of the Spirit, prayer, Study, and challenging your beliefs with others is neccessary for continued growth and understanding.

I could go on, but I'll get to that, as promised within a few weeks, and post it here. For now (I've been here one day), I see few posts that seriously provide a basis for discussion of faith, salvation, and the nature of God and his purpose. I hope to provide such, within the context of what I've stated above.

God Bless.

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Are you a healthier person since you left?

by Lady Lee in

jw
friends

i am healthier mentally - no more depression and i have the freedom to think and believe what is right for me and not dictated for me

i am healthier emotionally - i have the freedom to be happy or sad or angry or whatever it is i feel in the moment.

i no longer have to pretend to be happy to keep the congregation looking good.

Love_Truth

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Does a sex offender deserve another chance for a new life?

by sunshineToo in

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friends

take for example carry verse.

hospital said that he was dangerous.

but he said that he was a new man (a jw), and wanted to build up a new life.

Love_Truth

Nope, a bullet in the head and let God sort 'em out!

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You Live in California when...

by AlanF in

you live in california when.... 1. you make over $250,000 and you still can't afford to buy a house.. 2. the high school quarterback calls a time-out to answer his cell phone.. 3. the fastest part of your commute is going down your driveway.. 4. you know how to eat an artichoke.. 5. you drive your rented mercedes to your neighborhood block party.. 6. when someone asks you how far something is, you tell them how long it will .

take to get there rather than how many miles away it is.. .

you live in new york city when.... 1. you say "the city" and expect everyone to know you mean manhattan.. 2. you have never been to the statue of liberty or the empire state building.

Love_Truth

Socio-Math Problems for San Francisco Student

1. Zelda and Jane were given a rottweiler at their commitment
ceremony. If their dog needs to be walked two miles a day and they
walk at a rate of 3/4 mile per hour, how much time will they spend
discussing their relationship in public?

2. Michael has two abusive stepfathers and an alcoholic mother. If his
self-esteem is reduced by 20% per dysfunctional parent, but Michael
feels 3% better for every person he denigrates, how long will it take before
he's ready to go home if 1 person walks by the cafe every 2 minutes?

3. Sanjeev has 7 piercings. If the likelihood of getting cellulitis on
a given day is 10% per piercing, what is the likelihood Sanjeev will
need to renew his erythromycin prescription during the next week?

4. Chad wants to take half a pound of pot to Orinda and sell it at a
20% profit. If it originally cost him $1,500 in food stamps, how much
should Nicole write the check for?

5. The City and County of San Francisco decide to destroy 50 rats
infesting downtown. If 9,800 animal rights activists hold a
candlelight vigil, how many people did each dead rat empower?

6. A red sock, a yellow sock, a blue sock, and a white sock are tossed
randomly in a drawer. What is the likelihood that the first two socks
drawn will be socks of color?

7. George weighs 245 pounds and drinks two triple lattes every
morning. If each shot of espresso contains 490mg of caffeine, what is
George's average caffeine density in mg/pound?

8. There are 4500 homes in Mill Valley and all of them recycle plastic.
If eadh household reycles 10 soda bottles a day and buys one polar fleece
pullover per month, does Mill Valley have a monthly plastic surplus or deficit?
Bonus question: Assuming all the plastic bottles are 1 liter size, how
much Evian are they drinking?

10. If the average person can eat one pork pot sticker in 30 seconds,
and the waitress brings a platter of 12 pot stickers, how long will it
take five vegans to not eat them?

11. Todd begins walking down Market Street with 12 $1 bills in his
wallet. If he always gives panhandlers a single buck, how many legs did
he have to step over if he has $3 left when he reaches the other end and
met only one double-amputee?

Advanced Placement Students Only:

Katie, Trip, Ling, John-John and Effie share a three-bedroom apartment
on Guerrero for $2400 a month. Effie and Trip can share one bedroom, but
the other three need their own rooms with separate ISDN lines to run their
web servers. None of them wants to use the futon in the living room as a
bed, and they each want to save $650 in three months to attend Burning Man.
What is their best option:

a) All five roommates accept a $12/hour job-share as handgun monitors
at Mission High.

b) Ask Miles, the bisexual auto mechanic, to share Effie and Trip's
bedroom for $500/month.

c) Petition the Board of Supervisors to advance Ling her annual
digital-artists-of-color stipend.

d) Rent strike

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Are You a BASTARD?.......

by minimus in

jw
friends

gumby is and i'd like to know if you agree.

Love_Truth

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A letter to the Parents

by SixofNine in

jw
friends

a friend gave me permission to post this.

i think it's a good letter, it might help others formulate their thoughts; she understands it may not be read or considered deeply, but things can't get much worse with her family at this point anyway.

no contact is not that much different than contact once per year or less, and sometimes it's just really important to have the people who should know you, at least know you a little.

Love_Truth

Excellent post, that's a keeper! Sums up quite well what's wrong with the JW brand of religion.

If they'd stick with the concrete teachings of salvation, rather than forcing their opinions on the congregations as if God himself said whatever the "society" decides is "food at the proper time", it would be much closer to pleasing God.

But, as it is, like all other religions, it requires putting faith in a mn0made orgamnization, rather than in God's word.

Too bad, JWs, like all other religions, are just another apostacy.

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Did Jesus pray to himself ?

by hooberus in

while trinitarians believe that the father, son, and the holy spirit, are god, they also believe that they are distinct persons within the one god.

thus they are able to speak to one another.

so jesus (one person) speaking to the father (another person) in prayer is not a problem.

Love_Truth

That sums it up quite well.

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Did Jesus pray to himself ?

by hooberus in

while trinitarians believe that the father, son, and the holy spirit, are god, they also believe that they are distinct persons within the one god.

thus they are able to speak to one another.

so jesus (one person) speaking to the father (another person) in prayer is not a problem.

Love_Truth

I go with wht seems much more likely without stretching to believe in something that has a shaky foundation.

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Nephalim

by barbar in

for many years i have wondered about the nephalim, sorry if this is a previously asked question.. i don't undertsand how the angels could have got women pregnant.

surely they did not have any inherent capabilities of producing life.. it seems to me that only a creator would have that ability.

so how did the angels get the women pregnant?.

Love_Truth

Seriously? I see all the previous replies have made a joke of this.

Genesis ^:1-4, and Numbers 13:33 are the only places(I believe) the Nephalim are mentioned. Looking at the Genesis account, which reveals more (though still not enough for a concrete determination), it says: 1 When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with [1] man forever, for he is mortal [2] ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years." 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days-and also afterward-when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown."

The only logical conclusion UI can come top is that these angels perhaps possesed the finer male specimens, and somehow genetically altered their sperm, not too far fetched if one believes the Bible as the inspired word of God, and that Demons are fallen Angels who were created perfect and were allowed to observe God's creation, including humans, for eons..

Without getting in to how genetics are influenced through adaptation, it would seem possible that highly intelligent spirit creatures would have more knowledge on human genetics and modification theeof, than we as humans currently have.

BOTTOM LINE, though, is this is trivial and has nothing to do with our salvation. That is one of the reasons I lefyt the JWs, because they don't know what's inportant to teach as neccessary for salvation, and what's not.

This clearly falls in the latter category.

Love_Truth

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