Posts by anewperson

ive not been so angry for a long time.. the watchtower article entitled jehovah hates the course of treachery in the may 1st 2002 issue is a masterpiece of bullshit.

there are so many points in it i feel that i should make more than one thread.. in this thread i will deal with the issue of marriage discussed from paragraph 13 onwards.

paragraph 15 warns against marrying an unbeliever and confirms the societys view that only jehovahs witnesses will survive armageddon, so why bother marrying someone who will die soon?.

MARITAL INTIMACIES, THE REAL TRUTH: If not an adult your parents may not approve your reading this, so don't. Otherwise... in 1972 a Watchtower magazine forbade married couples from full intimacies until in 1978 countless letters made the Watchtower heads who are over Jehovah's Witnesses admit to and rescind their policy of policing the bedroom. But few JWs realize they quickly, quietly reintroduced the policy by talks rather than state it clearly in writing although for example a May 1, 2002 Watchtower magazine article vaguely as usual but pointedly said JW husbands don’t insist on “degrading sexual practices.” Not only have Watchtower Elders Elders said intimacies between husband and wife "might even lead to expulsion from the congregation;" but other clergy as in the Mormons have also called marital intimacy "unholy" although the Song of Solomon (Canticles) says:

"A garden barred in is my sister, my bride (4:12), Your skin is a paradise (13) along with all the finest perfumes and a spring of gardens, a well of fresh water, and trickling streams (14-15), Awake O north wind and come in O south wind. Breathe upon my garden. Let its perfumes trickle. Let my dear one come into his garden and eat its choicest fruits. (16) "Eat O companions! Drink and become drunk with expressions of endearment... I have put off my robe. How can I put it back on? (5:1,3) "His cheeks are like a garden bed" (13), his lips are lilies dripping with liquid myrrh (13), everything about him is altogether desirable...my boy companion. (16) "My own dear one has gone down to his garden..to shepherd among the gardens and to pick lilies. I am my dear one's (6:2-3), To the garden of nut trees I had gone down to see the buds in the torrent valley (11). I am my dear one's and toward me is his craving (7:10), by our entranceways there are all sorts of the choicest fruits. (13)" Besides which Psalm 5:15 reads "Drink water out of your own cistern and tricklings out of the midst of your own well."

In March 2002 news erupted of rampant pedophilia coverups among Roman Catholic priests, Hare Krishnas, JWs, LDS, all groups with male-only clergy (read Romans 16:1) and decision-making from top-down rather than locally based. Perhaps leaders of such groups refine by fire those members who have natural marital intimacies because they themselves are busy-bodies with pedophilia they try to hide?
Christians only naturally desire to please their mates while thinking about loving them, not to do anything unnatural, for indeed God Himself has programmed us to desire enjoyable sex to help fulfill His will that we have joy and bond all the better with a common result being the additional joy of having children. So, indeed, let no imperfect man or organization come between married couples for such violates the sanctifying state of matrimony given to us by God Himself. Please feel free to make and use copies of this.

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New Dates to help WTS

by Amazing in

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not that anyone would want to help the wts shore up its prophetic speculations, and continue to perpetrate their fanciful but idiotic schemes ... nevertheless ... in an effort to salvage their biblical dreams, and escape their current embarassments and false prophecies, one might see them in the near future pull off something like the following.. you eyes might glaze over ... but this is short:.

the 2nd temple was started by zerubabel in 517 bc and completed and dedicated in 515 bc.

the wts could easily make this 2nd temple a symbolic 'anti-type' representing the renewed, rebuilt condition of 'spiritual israel' the anointed 144,000 ... and then take the 2,520 years spoken of by daniel, from the date of the dedication of the 2nd temple, and voom ... boom ... flash ... zap ... we arrive at 2005 ad for the establishment of the 'completed and dedicated' spiritual anti-type temple in heaven ... to eventually be occupied by the temple class.. add to this, the walls of jerusalem, built to protect the city outside the 2nd temple and its people, were not completed until 445 bc ... this commenced the 70 weeks until the messiah would arrive, according to daniel.

anewperson

Right now their resorting to any new date predictions would be counterproductive but down the road of time they might resort to the same old tactic and I believe Amazing is simply pointing this out, which is commendable.

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Help Silentlambs effort

by mikepence in

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i am doing some research for my website and would like to try and offer additional information to the silentlambs effort.. it would be of tremendous assistance to me if people could:.

1. reply to this message and include any web resources outside of silentlambs.org that would contain useful information of any kind on jw's and sexual abuse.. 2. if you have other resources that you might think could help please let me know.. i am also considering writing a book on this topic.

the pending (don't know when, yet) dateline piece is the driving force right now.. thanks,.

anewperson

Also readers are invited to donate cash to help the victims by going to http://www.silentlambs.org and donating via Paypal, a method by which you authorize Paypal company to transfer funds from your credit card to the silentlambs account. Silentlambs is a nonprofit organization for helping victims of sexual abuse especially among Jehovah's Witnesses.

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What Do You Think?

by silentlambs in

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but in other places the legal system may offer little hope of successful prosecution.. some legal experts advise reporting the rape to the authorities as soon as possible.

but in other places the legal system may offer little hope of successful prosecution.. some legal experts advise reporting the theft to the authorities as soon as possible.

but in other places the legal system may offer little hope of successful prosecution.. some legal experts advise reporting the assualt to the authorities as soon as possible.

anewperson

It's their way of saying we tell elders to not report everything all the time like child sex abuse to the police

because it would be ineffective for the elders to do that.

Yet they have no problem with saying report other crimes.

Why? Methinks I spell the aftermath of Leo Greenlees the Gov Body member so many have said was quietly reassigned when it became more known that he was also a child molesting pedophile.

Methinks some of the odors from the current Gov Body smell not so fragrant too.

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WT May 1st - Watch out for traitors in our midst!

by dmouse in

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another thread on the wt may 1st 2002 issue.. jehovah hates the course of treachery.

in a thinly veiled attack on the likes of youknow the society issues this proclamation to jws who dare to say anything out of line with the watchtower bullshit and tossers society:.

10. are we personally alert, so that no unrighteousness is found on our lips?

anewperson

Cheer up for many within the organization will also see through the paranoia especially as the sex abuse case and secret UN liason get better known among the rank-and-file. If you think this is paranoia, well, it is but not like what's coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Again, lift our heads in joy for it means the end really is nearing of Big Mama Watcthower Society. Her little Big Brothers in the hall must also be all shook up. The true gems are going to be rattled right out of the tower. Smiling at you boys (and girls) in Brooklyn.........

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New Dates to help WTS

by Amazing in

jw
friends

not that anyone would want to help the wts shore up its prophetic speculations, and continue to perpetrate their fanciful but idiotic schemes ... nevertheless ... in an effort to salvage their biblical dreams, and escape their current embarassments and false prophecies, one might see them in the near future pull off something like the following.. you eyes might glaze over ... but this is short:.

the 2nd temple was started by zerubabel in 517 bc and completed and dedicated in 515 bc.

the wts could easily make this 2nd temple a symbolic 'anti-type' representing the renewed, rebuilt condition of 'spiritual israel' the anointed 144,000 ... and then take the 2,520 years spoken of by daniel, from the date of the dedication of the 2nd temple, and voom ... boom ... flash ... zap ... we arrive at 2005 ad for the establishment of the 'completed and dedicated' spiritual anti-type temple in heaven ... to eventually be occupied by the temple class.. add to this, the walls of jerusalem, built to protect the city outside the 2nd temple and its people, were not completed until 445 bc ... this commenced the 70 weeks until the messiah would arrive, according to daniel.

anewperson

The Watchtower Society, not Amazing, is the Laurel and Hardy jokester. Not impossibly they may resort to a renewed endtime prediction but if so not until sometime after the current child sex abuse scandal which nixes the 2005 possibility but the 2075 one would be more plausible. Right they they are hunkering down trying to survive, fearful of organized schisms, loss of money from donors. Amazing's bringing this up is good.

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WTS supports The Guardian

by ozziepost in

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the april 22 issue of awake!

contains no less than 5 quotations from the guardian newspaper of the uk.. you may recall that the guardian's religious affairs editor wrote some very revealing articles about the wts and its ngo status in the un.

remember how the wts pr department issued a statement defending their position and how they corresponded with stephen bates and reminded us all that the wts views the guardian as a serious, factual and reliable newspaper that it quotes regularly?

anewperson

What they are doing in Brooklyn is thumbing their noses at Stephen Bates. They are showing him they can quote from his own paper all they want to so long as not at undue length or as to deprive the Guardian paper of money etc. They are at the same time trying to cast doubt on his having locked horns with them, to make people wonder if just somehow they might in fact be sweethearts of if not him then those who are over him. This would drive a wedge between Bates and those of us passing along information to him. They tried the same thing recently with regard to Bill Bowen. They sought to make it appear NBC management would gladly sacrifice the documentary Dateline had prepared to keep in Brooklyn's good graces. It's all in all another sign of their desperation, sly and cunning machinations, which is however pathetically transparent. Last ditch death throes of an old dragon.

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Just In: Andrea Yates To Be Executed

by Candle in

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the state of texas will execute andrea yates for the murder of her children.

the jury decision was just announced.

she had choked and drowned her children to death, five in all.

anewperson

If either I myself or the original poster whom I said wrote that Yate's husband was the one on the Letterman show then I am happy to apologize here and now. No problem. Done deal. You see, unlike the WTS I can apologize for no intent was made to "mislead" on anything. That the Slack, Buttons, Smith and other cases exist more than illustrate the point that the WTS is a major if not the major component of false Christianity or Babylonish religion today. Now let those readers who are pro-Watchtower ask Henschel and company to say how sorry they are they have destroyed and even taken many lives due to their lies and deceptions which are definitely DELIBERATE.