have you ever tried to explain to someone who has no religious leaning how you once truly believed that you could live forever and that now you are no longer a jw that certainty is gone, and how hard that is to deal with at times?.
the look of disbelief and pity that you get in return.. maybe thats partly why we need to talk so often to other xjw's.
whats been your experiences.. anglise
Have you ever tried to explain to someone who has no religious leaning how you once truly believed that you could live forever and that now you are no longer a JW that certainty is gone, and how hard that is to deal with at times?
The look of disbelief and pity that you get in return.
Maybe thats partly why we need to talk so often to other XJW's
Whats been your experiences.
Anglise
my wife and i were df'd about six months ago as apostates after our combined 88 years in the organization (i love borrowing wt methods of making figures impressive).
if it were not for the wt perhaps i would have gone to college as i had planned instead of to bethel for six years.
perhaps i would have started my business a decade earlier in life rather than spend ten years in the 'fulltime preaching work'.
Yes I agree with you but it still makes it hard to come to terms with.
When we as individuals took on the beliefs of the WTBTS wether as a young adult getting baptized into it or an adult having had a "bible study" we in effect took on a life without death. Our own mortality went into - we hoped and prayed - permanent remmision.
Now having learnt to see the TRUTH about the JW teachings those of us who have left have taken on a terminal life.
A difficult thing to explain to someone who never really believed.
Coming to terms with that after maybe many years is very very hard.
No we cant keep looking back and apportioning blame and ham stringing ourselves to the past.
But there is life after the borg, and you are right "we are not dead yet"
Anglise
this letter campaign is designed to convey public outrage at the watch tower society's treatment of vicki boer.
it has been designed so that, depending on how many copies you send, you should be able to complete it in 15-30 minutes.
thanks to scully, there is now no need to go the email route, all the materials you need are now on the web.. the home page for the letter campaign is here: http://hometown.aol.ca/scullyxjw/vb-letters.html.
Are these only being sent to media/politicions etc.
Would it be worth doing a mail shot to any elders that we might know?
Generally the R&F dont know what goes on at the top.
Anglise
if any of you wish to kindly make donations to vicki boer, we are formulating a vehicle to attend to this as we speak.. we have been in touch with vicki, who is understandably deeply distressed at the turn of events that have forced her to relive much of the trauma which she hoped that this court case would put to rest, and are wresting a plan which would allow her to receive personal donations aimed at her well-being rather than enriching either the wts or her advisers.. an address will be forthcoming shortly, together with a paypal email address which will allow you to send your donations or well-wishes to vicki, scott and the girls.
it will not be a canadian address or bank account.
there are a number of important points that any donators would need to assess before donating any cash:.
This is really good to see things moving so quickly and compatently.
Thankyou all who are working hard behind the scenes to make this happen.
Please count us in when there is more info.
Anglise
found this on a brill site
http://www.monologues.co.uk
enjoy
Found this on a brill site
Enjoy
NOAH AND THE DINOSSERS
by
Mike Harding
In a place in the north called bacup
An owd lad called Noah did dwell
Where he bred up wrestlin' maggots
Which to fishin' lads he would sell
One day he were trainin' two big uns
By aid of a rope and a plank
'Ow to grab fish by t'scruff of their necks
An' chuck 'em up onto t'bank
He'd just showed one the Half-Nelson
When a puff of smoke appeared
And an angel came out of the coalhouse
And shook old Noah by t'beard
"'Ow do!" said th'angel to Noah
"I've come with a message for thee
There's gooin' to be floods in a fortneet!"
And Noah said "Well, bugger me!"
"It's the Lord" said the angel, "He's proper upset,
He thinks as how t'Worlds gone so wicked
As he's sending flood waters forty foot deep"
Noah thought (That'll bugger up t'cricket)
"But seein' as how you've a way like with pets
He wants you to build a big ark.
He's sending the wood up by Pickfords,
They'll leave it near t'bandstand in t'park"
When Noah went to t'bandstand next Sunday
A reet old row got a-goin'
'Cos Buiscuit Works Band said he hammered so loud
It were putting 'em off all their blowin'.
Course, everyone laughed at poor Noah
As he struggled by day and by neet
And he had to ring God up and ask him four times
"What's a cubitt in inches and feet?"
When he'd done and his ark were all ready
It stretched from t'bandstand to t'swings
So he went back home for a flask of hot cocoa
His wife and his water-wings
Now he'd put an advert in t'paper
Sayin' "Animals wanted for trip",
And owing to shortage of space, like,
He'd take just two of each onto t'ship
They had trouble at first with the rabbits
'Cos they started off with just two
But every morning at roll call
A different number they drew
A lion bit the head off a wart-hog
And a monkey climbed up the flue.
One giraffe were so big they sawed 'ole in the roof
And left it wi' it's head pokin' through
The rain started falling the very next day
And all was made safe and secure
They'd just casted off and were sailing up t'street
When they heard a loud bang on the door
Said Noah, out loud, "Oooh is it?"
And a quiet little voice then replied
"It's a couple of dinossers wanting a trip
It's cowd - will you let us inside?"
"Bog off" said Noah, "We've got no more room
We can hardly keep afloat
And get yer foot off the anchor chain
Yer rockin' the bloomin' boat"
So Noah sailed off with his ark full of pets
And journeyed the Accrington Sea
They anchored by Holland's Pies chimney
And Noah was starting his tea
A knock came to t'door, "It's dinossers!" said Mother
And Noah looked out through the rain
They said "Please let us in", Noah said "There's no room,
T'rabbits have started breedin' again"
The rain packed it in some days later
"Eeh! 'asn't it gone quiet", Noah said
Then a budgie flew by with a log in it's gob
And dropped it right on Noah's head
By the time he came round all the water had gone;
Th'ark were hangin' from Hollands Pies chimney
So they opened the door and let all the beasts go
Except for one camel called Sidney
(They kept him as a door-mat)
And as for the dinossers, they're not really extinct
You can see 'em in Loch Ness in t'dark
They pop up their heads at the ships in the night
Still lookin' for Noah and his ark.
i placed two three books today, wow what a day of informal witnessing, the were the diane wilson book, from ray franz in seach of christian freedom.
and the other was time of the end when (i think thats it, its been awhile since i actually read it but gave them to one to read) they were fretting about the "friends" not talking to them.
now they will learn some truth about the truth.
Dont forget to count your time, and of course if its an RV
Anglise
two high ranking watchtower officials admit to quite a lot in these official committee hansard documents.
if you are one of jehovah's witnesses, perhaps you would like to read how two senators take the watchtower officials apart piece by piece.
especially on the blood issue, several times the watchtower officials walk right into a wall.. the watchtower officials admit that the tax imposed by france could cripple the entire organization.
Brilliant Voyager
well done for finding this.
The WTBTS are so devious.
Anglise
i am on an mlm emailing list of which i receive some interesting stuff.
have a read of this, it's about getting your priorities right.
it just rings home about making the right decisions in life like, getting out of the "troof" when you no longer believe jw's are right.
Hi qwerty
what a brilliant post.
Thankyou for sharing it.
How are you doing. Sounds as though things are a bit heavy for you.
Please take care.
Anglise
hello fellow screen junkies,.
i have had a number of messages in recent days concerned about my posting style having changes in recent weeks.
as you may note i have become a little more combative in my replies of late and have imbued a new sense of tenacity when dealing with certain issues.
Hi HS
yes there are good kind elders. In my experience they tend to burn out. Some can keep going but the dont seem to wield any powers of persuasion over the greater number of "society" men.
So although they exist they tend to live in the shadows, being consulted and loved by the rank and file but largely ignored by the rest of the body.
It is sad to try and imagine the mental gymnastics that such individuals put themselves through so as to remain faithful to some of the dictates that come from the GB.
Are we the rats who have left the sinking ship of Brooklyn and should they be commended for staying and trying to improve things through the power of love.
I dont know.
To keep our sanity we left.
Anglise
at this point in my life i don't think i could trust any religious group.
i don't even feel the need to be a part of anything like that right now, and maybe never will.. but i know of some who have joined other churches/groups since leaving the borg.. why do some join another religion and why won't some ever get involved again?.
what makes us so different?.
Having seen how easy it is to manipulate and control using a "holy " book as a basis I dont feel inclined to trust any religion again.
If workshop/instruction manuals were as diffucult to understand and interpret as the supposed guidelines for eternal life from our creator nothing would ever be repaired.
Having said that I would love someone to be able to prove me wrong. A belief in a higher being with ultimate control and care would be comforting.
Anglise
