Posts by XQsThaiPoes

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Question... Do JWs shun Family?

by Sassy in

i had a disagreement with xq in chat today, because he was trying to say that jws for the most part disobey the wts and still treat family like family even if they are dfd or quit being witnesses.. i don't feel that is true.

i think that the majority of us on here who no longer are jws have family members who no longer have anything to do with us and shun us.... so i said it would be interesting to take a poll and see how many here are treated just like all the rest of your 'loving family' who is a jw still.......are you treated the same?.

does family shun you for being df'd, da'd or no longer participating?or do they hide and talk to you but only when other active jws can't see?

XQsThaiPoes

However, I hold several trump cards. First of all, I have a young child who my parents love and they know better than to cross my "worldly" wife. Secondly, my brother is also not a dub anymore, so it's just them and they don't have many friends at the KH.

THis is exactly what I was talking about

The Org. is losing it's power on people.

THis is also what I am talking about. People are so tired if they are not the in crowd there is no reason to follow the rules, and the in crowd is shrinking every day. Thanks attila.

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Question... Do JWs shun Family?

by Sassy in

i had a disagreement with xq in chat today, because he was trying to say that jws for the most part disobey the wts and still treat family like family even if they are dfd or quit being witnesses.. i don't feel that is true.

i think that the majority of us on here who no longer are jws have family members who no longer have anything to do with us and shun us.... so i said it would be interesting to take a poll and see how many here are treated just like all the rest of your 'loving family' who is a jw still.......are you treated the same?.

does family shun you for being df'd, da'd or no longer participating?or do they hide and talk to you but only when other active jws can't see?

XQsThaiPoes

How can you shunn a person that you are to continue "natural family affections" with?

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Question... Do JWs shun Family?

by Sassy in

i had a disagreement with xq in chat today, because he was trying to say that jws for the most part disobey the wts and still treat family like family even if they are dfd or quit being witnesses.. i don't feel that is true.

i think that the majority of us on here who no longer are jws have family members who no longer have anything to do with us and shun us.... so i said it would be interesting to take a poll and see how many here are treated just like all the rest of your 'loving family' who is a jw still.......are you treated the same?.

does family shun you for being df'd, da'd or no longer participating?or do they hide and talk to you but only when other active jws can't see?

XQsThaiPoes

I am not rying to stir the pot but notice the watchtowers weassel words.

*** w88 4/15 p. 28 Discipline That Can Yield Peaceable Fruit ***
13 Cutting off from the Christian congregation does not involve immediate death, so family ties continue. Thus, a man who is disfellowshipped or who disassociates himself may still live at home with his Christian wife and faithful children. Respect for God?s judgments and the congregation?s action will move the wife and children to recognize that by his course, he altered the spiritual bond that existed between them. Yet, since his being disfellowshipped does not end their blood ties or marriage relationship, normal family affections and dealings can continue.
14 The situation is different if the disfellowshipped or disassociated one is a relative living outside the immediate family circle and home. It might be possible to have almost no contact at all with the relative. Even if there were some family matters requiring contact, this certainly would be kept to a minimum, in line with the divine principle: "Quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person [or guilty of another gross sin], . . . not even eating with such a man."?1 Corinthians 5:11.

Notice how they use "and". So the person has to be be out side the home, and a distant relative to consider altering "normal" family affections. When quoting this article i notice manyshunning jws use the word "or".So it might be possible not to fellow ship with distant relatives that live outside the home. And that goes in line with a "priciple" not a "law". So really unless it is a family reunion grubing with your 3rd cousin I doubt many people "have" to shun their family. I mean if they really cared wouldn't they read this article consider you imediate family and resume "natural" affection? And yes I know this article may have been just writen for divorce cases to show JWs don't shun family. THats not my point. Why is your family shunning you? Don't they care anymore?

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Question... Do JWs shun Family?

by Sassy in

i had a disagreement with xq in chat today, because he was trying to say that jws for the most part disobey the wts and still treat family like family even if they are dfd or quit being witnesses.. i don't feel that is true.

i think that the majority of us on here who no longer are jws have family members who no longer have anything to do with us and shun us.... so i said it would be interesting to take a poll and see how many here are treated just like all the rest of your 'loving family' who is a jw still.......are you treated the same?.

does family shun you for being df'd, da'd or no longer participating?or do they hide and talk to you but only when other active jws can't see?

XQsThaiPoes

Only the "weak" and "fringe" witnesses don't.

Have you ever considered that many more JWs may be getting weaker and are being alienated to the fringe? Where I am at the cliques are insane. Maybe people that are weakening are lonely and need their family regardless of status. Maybe this is some last resort?

Sassy

Nice thread. Um maybe I am not clear or my family is too dysfunctional to notice the difference LOL.

Sofar the only ones I have seen uniformly shuned by families are because of adultry or divorce and in many cases the family forms camps. Others it is a coin toss and depends on how they interpet the rules or if they have a lofty position. I had an elder said he shund his kids because he did not want to have the bookstudy taken from his house. Because when the kid was Dfed the elders interegated him. ANd for some reason single young women fare better. Maybe you guys are too old? Or married I have no Idea. I am not saying it is your fault, but maybe my examples are in the wrong demographic. Maybe the cases I am seeing dont apply to older more established JWs that have a sucessful life. Maybe JWs shun via envy?

I have also heard of the ultimatum "I'll let you come by if you ____". Anyone get that from their family ? Or did you hear "I would let you come, but I don't want you to be a bad influence on your brothers and sisters."

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Honest mistakes? The Governing Body's excuses for their actions

by Terry in

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the governing body tells us they are not false prophets because they admit their mistakes.. they only err because they are zealous to see the new order commence.. they are on the watch and warning everybody just like they are supposed to.. their doctrines change (new light) because they see and admit their errors.. what more can we expect of them?.

is the governing body honestly doing the best they can?

they are only human; how can we expect them to be perfect?.

XQsThaiPoes

Um doesnt hollywood have this problems. They have inspired movies that rarely represents the materials they are based on.

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The Internet and Apostasy

by CakeMonkey in

has the internet and forums like these caused an exodus from the j-dubs?

when i left in the early 1990s i met support groups through the yellow pages but it still felt like i was the only one in the world who was an apostate.

i've come to this forum in the last year to browse because my brother has now left.

XQsThaiPoes

If it hadn't been for the openness of the 'net......goodness knows where I'd be today.\

Feild Service

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EVIL LOUTION? Why do you still resist? Science doesn't work?

by Terry in

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friends

i resisted it for years.

i was dragged kicking and screaming into the evolution theory camp.. i would rather have had my arm lopped off at the elbow;but, facts are facts.

i had to be intellectually honest.

XQsThaiPoes

Pole

Imagine

Eve: God why is thier pain, suffering, and death? Why do our animal freinds keep killing each other, and get sick and old?

Adam: Shut up last time I asked him that he told me to fix it, and made you.

Eve: But whats wrong with my skin, and why are my breast sagging?

Adam: Yeah God on second thought I wana know that knowlege too it would solve so many problems... Why are her breast sagging?

God: Eve I have this guy from the IT department coming over to fix that he is long, skinny, dry skin, talks with a lisp. He'll fix you up. He was working on the knowlege tree.

Adam: Cool. Oh hey God when does that go gold I hear its is gona be bitchen! And can you get me in the beta?

Eve: Hey what about me?

Adam: Yeah alright... Eve too...

God: look um I am busy got... um stuff to take care of, and these are my weekend minutes. Talk to the IT guy he seems to be up on that sorta thing, and can tell you better than I can.

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Jehovahs Witness Double Standards

by truthbeliever in

the society said in past issues of the watchtower that reading "apostate" literature is just as bad as reading pornography,here is where a double standard comes into play.a person can't be disfellowshipped for reading pornography,but can for reading other literature.i don't get that.also they claim that music is a conscience matter,yet how long could a brother or sister listen to a great gospel tape or cd before being disfellowshipped?if a man grew a beard you think that they would be treated well at the kingdom hall?one last thing,if the society wasnt promoting the 1975 date,and never said it,then why were there not loads of disfellowshippings before the failed date for apostasy by promoting a false date?these are just a few of the many double standards that i have observed.god bless you all.

XQsThaiPoes

Does this set a precedent for regarding critically the publications brought forth by the "faithful and discreet slave," with a view to finding fault? Not at all!

See they are saying our writings are fodder. If you can't regard it critically so it cant be critically acclaimed. It is pulp. Ment to be scanned, thrown away, and forgoten. It might as well be a tv guide.

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Honest mistakes? The Governing Body's excuses for their actions

by Terry in

jw
friends

the governing body tells us they are not false prophets because they admit their mistakes.. they only err because they are zealous to see the new order commence.. they are on the watch and warning everybody just like they are supposed to.. their doctrines change (new light) because they see and admit their errors.. what more can we expect of them?.

is the governing body honestly doing the best they can?

they are only human; how can we expect them to be perfect?.

XQsThaiPoes

Somebody explain how Jehovah is the editor of the magazine, angels direct the preaching work, they are the mouthpiece of god and YET, they are not INSPIRED?

HOW do you break that down and make it understandable? How does the rank and file publisher attending meetings put the above straight in their mind???

Because the FDS are anointed with holy spirit. If they were trinitarians they could say god is inside of them. Since the teaching of christianity is that the holy spirit guides people then you can be "spirit directed" but that is not the same as inspired. Yes i know the words mean the same thing, but that is the case when a religious belife does not mean the same as a dictionary definition. Angels direct the work by unknown supernatural means, they are also holy spirits, and the name means messenger. Preaching is a message.

THe problem is that the RF does not have the holy spirit. So the fds is dependant that they listen to the people with the HS in their bodies with absolute obidiance. Because a great crowd is no different intuitavely than a pagan or a acient isrealite.

Some of JWs flaws are flaws in christianity in general.

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EVIL LOUTION? Why do you still resist? Science doesn't work?

by Terry in

jw
friends

i resisted it for years.

i was dragged kicking and screaming into the evolution theory camp.. i would rather have had my arm lopped off at the elbow;but, facts are facts.

i had to be intellectually honest.

XQsThaiPoes

Why would "God" "create" creatures with DNA that now serves no useful purpose.

Maybe God is create them for future generations. Maybe he knows that vestigal organs or junk dna allow as potential for his creations to adapt to change. Look at the male nipple. Many people claim it is a useless vestigal organ, but some men can nurse their children naturaly. This is a great advantage in the case of the mothers untimely death.

And also what does this have to do with genesis? Making animals out of dirt is not the only way to create. Also being creative tends to require inspiration. What if God never thaught of modern humans until cro magnon? How many artist paint a master piece their first try. All animals here use dna that is four characters of machine code. If you are God and you invent this programing language for life on earth why would you throw it away and start from scratch every time? You could build a program add a line compile (a creature is born), if the line conflicts with other code you can have errors and the system freezes (the creature dies). Some errors crash instantly and the creature is never born, the errors linger dormant until you try a specific task, or like a security hole there is no known flaw until some other program or person exploits it. The thing is this is happening every time genetic code is changed and there is no proof "God" is not doing it.