Posts by XQsThaiPoes

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Bill Bowen on VH-1 discussing jw sex abuse!! (MichaelJackson biography)

by sf in

i am, right now, watching vh-1's history of the jacksons and in particular, the charges filed against him.. they just showed how mrs. jackson became a devout jw, showed the kh, and a few wt mags.

then, without expecting it, there was bill bowen!

talking about the epidemic of abuse in this church.

XQsThaiPoes

not to sound calus but if a catholic (laity) allegedly mollest someone you don't have a show with prominent x-catholics on the child molestation. The aburb shoe horning of BB is uncalled for and offensive. He deserves a better and more logical segway. This would imply that JWs are trained to be pedophiles somehow, and that MJ is a result of his JW training. This is horrid. But at least every time a car bomb goes of in the middle east they don't have a JW round table about martyrdom. So it could be worse.

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Would Michael Jackson be in all this legal trouble if he stayed a JW?

by booker-t in

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as you posters know my mom has been a "devout" jw for over 40 years and just won't bend when it comes to the faults of the wts.

i have talked until i was blue in the face for over 10 years since da'd myself in 1993 but just can't crack my mom.

well she made another ridiculous comment to me the other day in her attempts to get me "reinstated" back as a jw.

XQsThaiPoes

Um I think the Jackson 5 probally robbed him more of his youth than the WTS every could preston. THink about it. Look at the lives of most world famous child stars. Then look at their adult lives. THe olsens are a prime example that even a highly "normalized" version of being a child star will still thrash you a bit after you finish puberty. Don't even go into Macully.

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Death, JWism, and negative side effects of doubting the watchtower.

by XQsThaiPoes in

i am depressed.

well not in a traditional sense.

i have aquired a necrophobia.

XQsThaiPoes

I am depressed. Well not in a traditional sense. I have aquired a necrophobia. Being a part of the "great crowd" I have never believed in an after life. Even if it existed it was like a billion dollars to me. Just because a billion dollars exist it does not help me personally, because I don't own a billion dollars.

If you are alive you know you have a finite life span. You will die. I will die. As a taditional JW I did not care. My firm belief in St. Pascal (Google pascal's wager) over powered any meaningful pondering of my finite life span. The thing about it is the watchtower is more forgiving about the death than most religions including traditional chistianity. Before I get off track. My point is I am going to die one day. I believe when I died I will cease being concious. All my volatile memory what people generally call their "life" will be erased just like your memory in your pc when the power goes out. THe only form of memory that will survive is my dna. I have broken dna so passing it on is not something I want to do. The decision of not having kids probally has more to do with my fear of death than the watchtowers lack of credibility. So collectively I don't matter because nobody is going to remember me aside from a few name and address forms that will probally float in databases for a few decades after I die.

So if basically I am going to be deleted one day and life sucks in general does it matter when I die? Not really.

The only conclusion I can come to comes from the movie soylent green. Make some nices friends, have a nice meal, enjoy respectively the best day of my life and then commit sucide. Conversely I could just wait around until I die but usually youll die on a downer and traumatically.

My thing is. Has being a JW spoiled my sense of life, and made me cynical? Also for the athiest out there how do you cope with religious people? I can do the JW thing. I like it. But I feel life in general is a waste. WIth no new order I feel like a person thats paralized with polio and dies shortly after the vacine was discovered. You have that "well it sucks this generation lucked out, and now will never live thought my hell, Damn them!" feeling.

Am I insane? There are like 2 billion people at least that in there heart have a positive image of and afterlife or a negative ones at least. Also at least 5 billion people will have children so at least some of them hangs around until it is too watered down in the anals of time. How do you warm the heart of the Nihilist, or at least quell the cynicism of a rational JW that knows in all likely hood the calvary won't come, And if they do most likely you are probaly too dead to notice? I think psychologist call this suvivors guilt. I have the inverted version I think. Maybe we can call it casualty spite. The day I die some one will be born. That is Irony. I hate Irony.

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses Depend on Mental Illness?

by metatron in

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if you still go to meetings, take a good look around the kingdom hall next time you attend and think about what you are.

likely seeing.. many witnesses will sit in a half-awake mode - despite confronting a risk to life or limb in attending, because of bad weather or the sort.

of neighborhood the hall is located in.

XQsThaiPoes

I don't know I agree but think you are shading the watchtower as having more credit than it deserves. I think the reason that their are so many abnormal people in jws is because they are told what ever their probleming is if they do X they are "normal" or god forbid better than normal. In Jws I see more untreated mental illness than other religions. I think the other religions actually turn away people the JWs harbor and humor.

I know "watchtower" people and they are nothing like JWs in the mental health respect. So it is obvious the wts does not want bipolar people with ocd. Just like it kicks people with health problems to the curb. You will find it humorus when you ask to serve at bethel and some elder tells you "Just saying alive is service enought to Jehovah" or other tailored your are too much of a liability to let on watchtower property awnsers.

Also I think that unlike other religions the JWs give sick people hope in the here and now. WHere otherwise they have to die to have all their problems cured. It is like faith healing on lay-away. I was explaining it to a nurse once (blood issue related) and it is like her mind broke. She wanted to say thats a stupid belief, but then again it was too logical/appealing to discard. If I live I go to happy land, and if I die I go to happy land. If a person believes that it is very hard to convince them the present matters. It is like if depression had a optomistic version were instead of doing nothing because you feel bad, and you do nothing because you feel good.

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Did you notice that they were a lot of "rich Witnesses" in the organization

by inquirer in

i remember this guy once, after the book study (the one where you go to someone's house to study a book) boasting on this house he wanted to buy!

it made me feel sick!

he was showing off so much!

XQsThaiPoes

I know the "rich", well off, financially secure, the pretenders, the break evens, and the toilet scrubbers. It usually breaks into trade school vs university line. From what I see the rich ones send their kids to universities while they pioneer, then the pioneers with degrees get first pick for bethel service.

Most JWs I know are finacially better after joining JWs. Of course since I live in an alternate deminsion feel free to call me a liar. It could be because many are poor recovering substance abusers in our area, and it is a no brainer that your savings will sky rocket once you get off the whatever. Plus showing up to work sober increases productivity. I think the problem is money talks. If brother money bags gets pissed at the cheese and cracker men all he has to do is change halls, or stop inviting them to dinner parties, or stop writing blank checks to the secetary. THe dinner parties seem to be the most common means of showning disdain.

Anyone know of the kingdom support service's quasi-offical policy of making a kingdom hall represent the community. Basically bad areas get crappy halls, and rich areas get opulent ones. They claim that it is for zoning reasons. Not that it is a city code that requires mile deep carpet or seemless hand rails, but that better communities are reluctant to zone for a cracker box windowless building that they can't get taxes on. I think this is made up. I think what really happends is "rich" jws hate crappy halls, and in general want a nice church so they donate more physical items that the brothers 'can't refuse'. BTW our old sound system believe it or not is in some hall in mexico. THey make it sound like a huge valued asset that a 20 year old amp and mics are so unatainable in the place they freaking build new beetles and most american cheap transmissions.

And i think yur comment is true. Believe it or not being a rich JW is much easier than being a poor one. Infact the brothers ask you to contribute nothing compared to the poorest of JWs. No feild service, no parts, no comments, and non of the stigma. It is basically like regular church for rich jws. Look at P,V, and S if most jws live like that most of the "apostate" sites would have nothing to complain about beside NY goofyness in publications.