Posts by zack

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Bulletin Board versus Information Board

by mavie in

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does anyone know why the bulletin board at the back of most us kingdom halls is called an information board?

i called it a bb once from the platform and was corrected.

i've also heard the same from others.

zack

The WTS is always fighting semantics. Bulletin is a perfectly fine word, yet as has been said, the branch came down with a directive with the reasoning Blondie has

already posted and turned the use of the word BULLETIN synonymous to idolatry. Remember back a few years where they changed the

term MEMORIAL for the Lord's evening meal, to the term COMMEMORATION. And if you said Memorial, you were corrected like you had committed some

kind of sin. What's the big deal, I thought? The big deal, I found out, is that the men who run " ALL OF GOD"S INTEREST ON EARTH" are morons. A few years

later and the term was MEMORIAL again. Great NEW LIGHT, huh?

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can I be DF-ed without hearing?

by DannyBloem in

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okay i know the answer already.. you can.. but i like to ask about this situation.. this jw is been divorced and of course found a new girlfriend.

quite clear that the relationship is more then just a friendship.

if you know what i mean.. so in this case is it following the rules that this person isdf-ed, and it is anounced in the cong.

zack

I agree that "they" can do what they want, the same as the local police and prosecutor can do as "they" want, since the law is not an

impediment to those who seek their own ends by any means. In my experience the

men I served with did NOT do this thing of DF'ing or Dissassociating someone w/o the procedure of a JC.

And yes, the threat of a lawsuit prompts a call to Legal. Legal finds a way to wriggle out of it for the locals in order to avoid the

lawsuits.

There is a couple right now in my area who were arrested and convicted of serious crimes and the local BOE decided not to do anything about it since these

people had been away from active association for quite some time, even though many knew them to be JW's. It depends on the BOE.

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Global Warming Hysteria

by metatron in

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http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2007/02/quacks-cranks-and-junk-science.html.

are global warming skeptics really just cranks?

i don't doubt that we are having some effect on .

zack

I'm with Metatron on this one (always enjoy your posts, BTW)

The Earth is warmer, no doubt. But I don't think man has anything to do with it and certainly cannot do anything about it. Just 30 years ago I was being

told that we were going into an ice age and we would all be using the metric system (in the US). Hasn't come to pass, huh?

And why are they picking on carbon dioxide? We BREATHE it out, for crying out loud. Oh here's a solution the hypers of this "crisis" haven't put forward:

They should all volunteer to simultaneously QUIT BREATHING thus reducing the total amount of co2 emmisions.

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Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses??? huh?

by cultswatter in

does christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses = watch tower bible & tract society?.

i have noticed more and more boe letters and congregational letters that are written by the "christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses".

letters from the society are supposed to come from the watch tower bible & tract society.

zack

I've had this conversaiton with my friends and with my wife and they all consider themselves Christians. What they

fail to see is that their rulers don't see them that way. When I ask them how they could be Christians and not want

to be with Christ, their answer invariably is: I don't want to go to heaven!!! No, they don't. They want the fantasy of the WTS which

is anti-Christ and only puts the Christian in their latest corporation for the reasons stated by Mary and others. They are incapable of

telling even one truth.

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can I be DF-ed without hearing?

by DannyBloem in

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okay i know the answer already.. you can.. but i like to ask about this situation.. this jw is been divorced and of course found a new girlfriend.

quite clear that the relationship is more then just a friendship.

if you know what i mean.. so in this case is it following the rules that this person isdf-ed, and it is anounced in the cong.

zack

Sorry to disagree, but in all my time as an elder no elder body that I was a part of EVER disfellowshipped anyone without a Judical Committe.

What they do is inform the BOE that sufficient evidence of wrong doing exists. The BOE appoints a JC. The JC is supposed to contact the individual. If the

individual AGREES to meet, this is taken as evidence that the individual feels like he is still under the authority of the congregation. If after agreeing he does not meet

with the JC, some brothers still go ahead with a meeting, and if there is enough evidence--- the usaul 2 witness rule---- they will disfellowship the individual becuase:

1. He felt himself under the authority of the congregation

2. THere was in fact evidence of wrongdoing

3. The individual was unrepentent, demonstrated by his actions and especially the action of NOT meeting when once agreeing to do so.

Of course, not all elders follow this, which is why disfellowshippings are often overturned if appealled.

If a person, however, is an apostate--- attends a church of "Babylon the Great" and it is public knowledge---- that in itself is evidence of wrongdoing for a JW JC. They still have to fo through the procedure, though apostacy is treated in JW land as wickedness and not weakness.

Zack----- of the will never agree to a JC class

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Why do the local congregations always pay for the D.O. and C.O. visits?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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every time a circuit and district overseer visited our congregation,the elders always wanted a show of hands from the congregation to see if we would pay for their car expenses and travel.sometimes the congregation would pay for airline tickets.it was always approved.. do you know if the idea came from the local congregations to pay?

did the wts send out letters to each congregation to see if they would pay?

we know that the wts always get what they want.. it's amazing how we paid $250-$400 for each overseer visit and the wts paid nothing..

zack

The expenses they actually submit to the congregations are very minor. Maybe 100 to 200 dollars for a week and only twice a year.

It is a show of hospitality. I certainly don't have a problem with it, never did. I actually beleived and still do that JW's would be BETTER

off with paid clergy who had an actual education and training in psycology and family counseling.

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What do you tell your kids about you're exit or near to exit WTS ?

by Ancientofdays in

in the last year i made myself aware of wts.

then i resigned from elder, i stopped service , i stopped family study, but i'm still a formal jw.

my wife is still a convinced jw, and we often "discuss" (really sometime we scream a bit too much).

zack

I am still in and have no kids at home. My wife is still a WTS faithful, yet i really think it's more of a way of life for her, you know, a routine,

then actually thinking its the "TRUTH." Lots of people figure they need a "religion", why not this one? I am not one of those.

If I were you, I would just love my children, I would listen to them, I would reassure them of how much they are loved and appreciated by you.

Spend time with them AWAY from JW activities, take them to a ball game, do NORMAL things with them. Let them see you as you, not as

the Dad, the Elder.

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BODY OF JESUS FOUND!! WITH HIS WIFE, SON...Discovery channel March 4

by magdalenefan in

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breaking news>>>>the body of jesus son of joseph has been found!!!!!

in a tomb with all the family names engraved.. with his mom dad, wife, kid brother....the business of churchdom, holy money making deity sceme is over!!

the gov will crack down on the vatican and kingdom hall for marketing fraud for worshipping and making money off a deity.

zack

They really didn't find his body, it's an anti-body. And the fadult emale is an anti-wife, and they had an anti-daughter. Don't you keep up with the latest magazines?

That's soooooo anti-typical!!!!

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Counting/requesting time how is that based on the Bible?

by restrangled in

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after reading auld soul's thread on babtism and the request for over year for any one to justify the wbts' requirements based on scripture,...(with no answer), i started to wonder what are the requests for numbers from the wbts based on.. did christ request a certain amount of time every month for preaching to qualify for what he promised?

did he count those attending his sermons to justify what he was preaching?

what about the so called "pioneer" program?

zack

There is no scriptural basis for it. But its a business and they have to track their workers productivity. If God knows everything and sees

everything, why fill out a slip? Jesus, the apostles, early christians--- none of them did it. Just one more thread in their giant web of deceit.

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Two Christians just came to my door....knock knock

by AK - Jeff in

i let them in - and after they installed my new phone service [yes they were with the cable company], we had a nice discussion about our mutual faith [practiced in three distinct manners].. the installer first looked at my desk, and saw a copy of the kit [i was just listening to a mp3 audio that debunks it totally] , a copy of steve hassan's 'combatting cult mind control' [a recent gift from another poster here on jwd], a copy of reverand lingle's book 'approaching jehovah's witnesses in love', and a copy of 'church history in plain language'.

a glance at my bookselves revealed a dozen bible translations, and dozens of apostate volumes [coc, isocf,gtr, etc].

so he knew right off that i must be religious.. we had a nice conversation after they were done.

zack

Jeff:

Being raised a dub, I thought of anyone with long hair, a beard, or a (god forbid!) tatoo as someone to be totally avoided. So on one of

my first jobs, my supervisor is this long haired, bearded, ciggarette smoking wordling. He was one of the kindest, gentlest people I had

ever met. A family man. Spent all free time with his children. He was patient, would teach you, and I never heard him use foul language.

I regretted so many times my instant judgement of this kind and humble man. So what you said in your post about the "straight laced"

Christian guy and the long haired guy, I can really identify with. So many times it was said at the hall when speaking in relationship to

God choosing David to be king that He didn't judge by outward appearance. And yet as dubs, that's exactly what we did. This supervisor

of mine taught me a real lesson. Thanks for the post.