Posts by zack

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Update Regarding How The May 1 QFR Is "Playing" In The Congregations

by Justitia Themis in

i have been emailing with a sister in my congregation regarding the qfr.

i told her i wasn't discussing it with most jws, because i didn't want to hear any of their "new light" garbage.

i told her this isn't new light; this just means that what we paraded out in 1935 as "new light" was wrong.. she sheepishly (no pun intended) agreed.

zack

No one has talked about it that I know. Most JW's won't care and won't read it anyway. The mags end up in a closet or garbage can.

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The 5th trumpet false prophecy by WT$ inc

by cultswatter in

revelation -- it's grand climax at hand chap.

22 pp.

142-148 the first woe--locuststhe first woe--locuststhe fifth angel prepares to blow his trumpet.

zack

I have not been to a Book Study since the Revelation book began to be studied again. It was this that 'accelerated" my fade. My wife asked me why I didn't go to

Book Study, and I told her the truth---- it offends my conscience to have to repeat this stuff as truth when i know it is not.

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Is this blasphomy!?

by James__84 in

jw
friends

is this a refuge for jehovahs witnesses or not?.

given time i will know.

zack

I believe it is blasphemy, not blasphomy.

Welcome.

This is a refuge for Jehovah's Witnessess. When you are tired of all they tell you to do and the guilt they lay on you for being unable to do it, you can find

refreshment here, brother.

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It's not bad, it's good. ....no, really.

by ozziepost in

take a look at this from the wt's own site:.

such an examination will show that instead of bringing a cataclysmic end, armageddon will introduce a happy beginning for people who desire to live and thrive in a righteous new world.

you will be rewarded with a clear understanding of this vital scriptural truth as you consider the discussion of armageddons real meaning in the next article.. what do you think armageddon is?a nuclear holocaust an environmental disaster a collision of a celestial body with the earth divine destruction of the wicked .

zack

It is so patently unfair to compare human beings with God. "We are not as good, not as righteuos, not as pure, not as holy.....etc"

How does anyone know that? How can anyone KNOW that?

If God created everything and If GOD wanted us to be JUST LIKE HIM he would have made us JUST LIKE HIM. We BECOME like Him in that with

all the shit that He has allowed to happen, with all the shit evil people throw our way, with all the unfairness and injustice and lies from people who come

in HIS NAME, we somehow manage to figure out that loving one another and being decent human beings and good neighbors and not totally screwing up

our children are the things that matter. We learn the things that are important and discard all the other ritualism that enslaves us.

God is more like us than religion will ever admit. Religion just can't control the masses by teaching that. He would be too reachable and understandable. And if we

could reach Him and understand Him, then we would need religion, right? So they keep Him a mystery, veiled, his thoughts inscrutable, his dwelling an infinity, his essence

unknowable---- unless you go through the priest, pope, FDS, GB, whoever------

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THE FATHERS Of THE NEPHILIM

by badboy in

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friends

in wt april 15,2007 says`although the nephilim were annihiliated in the flood,their fathers went back to the spirit realm as invisible demons.. _1 peter 3;19,20.. .

interesting question,if demons had children by women,how did they impregnate the women?.

zack

Myeleine:

I am not referring to "spiritual" darkness. I am referreing to the writings which clearly say that the angels which forsook their original positions are reserved for judgement

under eternal bonds---- in other words, restraints. If you or I were resevered for judgement we would be on death row under tight security to ensure not only that we be

delivered to the executioner, but to ensure the SAFETY of the public in the meantime.

Either they are in bonds or they are or not. And if they can possess and harass humans, then I suggest they are not and thus the gospels contradict the epistles.

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How much JW doctrine is in harmony with the Bible?

by OnTheWayOut in

some have stated that the jw's go too far with their doctrine, but that much of the basic.

beliefs of the religion are correct.

i don't want to debate whether the bible is correct.. i just want opinions on how much of the jw doctrine agrees with the actual teachings of .

zack

I'll take a shot at your question from the point of view of someone who got the truth about the truth. I will tell you what I beleive:

Wrong:

Two classes of Christians

Two destinies for believers

Intercession of Priests(for JW's it is the intercession of the FDS)

Paradise Earth was God's Eternal purpose---- I do not think you can put God in a box from the two Chapters in Genesis. JW's do, however.

FDS Doctrine

The entire "God's sole channel" doctrine

Any prophetic statement in the Bible which they apply to themselves

Spiritual Paradise

Invisible Kingdom in 1914

Armageddon

Millenial Reign complete with resurrection, rest of the dead, final test, etc....

Any restriction on dress and grooming in writing or not

Centralized ecclesiastical authority

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THE FATHERS Of THE NEPHILIM

by badboy in

jw
friends

in wt april 15,2007 says`although the nephilim were annihiliated in the flood,their fathers went back to the spirit realm as invisible demons.. _1 peter 3;19,20.. .

interesting question,if demons had children by women,how did they impregnate the women?.

zack

I find the accounts of demon possesion in the Bible contradictory to what Jude and Peter write about the demons being in Tarturus, restrained under dense darkness.

What kind of a restraint is it when they possess and harrass human beings?

Also, if you take everything literally written in the Bible, it is clearly spirit creatures which screwed up humanity. A spirit creature deceived Eve who then brings forth sin and death to ALL HUMANS!

Spirit creatures took human bodies and fathered Nephilim who filled the Earth with voilence so God destroyed ALL THE HUMANS!!!----- but the demons escaped.

Then the demons, although in chains, somehow manage to possess human bodies, serve as protectors of kingdoms, challenge righteous angels over the body of Moses, etc.... and

then Paul says humans have a wrestling not with flesh and blood but with the wicked spirit forces!!! Aren't they in jail? Did they get paroled? And WHY do humans

pay the price for the trouble these guys stirred up?

The more you think of it, the more like Greek mythology it sounds, from Zeus to Prometheus, to Hercules---- Son of a God and a mortal and possessing super human strength.

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The Whole WTS is a corrupt bunch of lying false prophets!!

by cultswatter in

this topic has been talked about before but it is worth mentioning again.

the revelation grand climax book is currently being studied ar the book studies world wide (4th time) usually on tuesday nights.

at the book study the jws are force fed false doctrine by the wts evil slave class.

zack

Right On!

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Love And Marriage Was The Watchtowers Way An Advantage?

by The wanderer in

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friends

love and marriage was the watchtowers way an advantage?the thought of one man and woman bonded through matrimony was always appealing.

the society used to stress chaperons, however, i think in todays day and age.

however, did the societys way prove helpful in certain respects?.

zack

The Watchtower wants loyalty to it first and then to your marriage mate. It knows no bounds. It also creates a wholly unrealistic role for both husband and wife.

If either of them fail to live up to Watchtower demands, then they are seen as failing in their "God-given" role. This leads to stress and unhappiness in a marriage.

These people are evil, man, evil.

Also, where in the Bible does it say a couple in a committed relationship HAVE to be married to have sex? Marriage wasn't the sacrament it is today until the Church (yes, that

Mother of a Harlot according to the WTS) in the voice of Augustine railed against "debauchery", something he had practiced until his "redemption." Also, the term wife used in Genesis is

a legal term used to describe a female companion when no legal terms or arrangements existed.

Let adults make up their minds about their living arrangements. Who is more righteous? The man who abuses his legal wife or the man who cares lovingly for his companion?

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Blood transfusions, lying, and God's laws - an epiphany

by sir82 in

we all know about "theocratic war strategy" - it's not really lying, if the person you are speaking "isn't entitled to know the truth".

but, it suddenly struck me - this definition of lying, unique to jws (lying is not merely telling a known untruth, but telling such to one who doesn't deserve the truth) helps them justify the blood doctrine.

well, consider the extreme example cited in the old wts bold enough to actually name & describe "theocratic war strategy" - a country where jws are under ban.

zack

Good post, Sir.

I agree, the subtlety is lost on most witnesses because they have been conditioned to accept without question. Also, most people reason that needing a transfusion

is something that won't happen to them. It's very disturbing when a religion "redefines" a standard of conduct to suit it needs. Lying is lying, stealing is stealing. Everything

has a degree to it and not all of it is bad. Lying is not bad all the time. Stealing is not bad in every instance. What creates the exception is the motivation and the end achieved. As you

said, the greater good. With the WTS the motivation is manipulation and control. They have thought it all through. It's what they do.