This is so true, but there are those people that I know who just won't look at any information. I don't understand this because when I began feeling doubts about the borg I craved and researched any knowledge I could find that proved and validated my feelings.
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Those who get df'd or drift away but don't know.
by sleepy init amazeses me just how many people have stopped going to meetings or get disfellowshiped yet still believe it is the truth and live under a burden of guilt for many years.. should we not be targeting these ones as they one day in a low emotional state will probably drift back to their "mother org"?.
i know of many people who left the truth even for more than 20 years and then went back.. they in all that time never looked at or came across any information to help them.. one of my friends went out of the truth over 10 years ago( he was not baptised), he then started studying about 2 years ago , got baptised a then within a year left again because he realised it was wrong.yet in all that time before he never came across any info to show it wasn't the truth and now has to go through all the hassle of leaving after being baptised.. so is there a way to target those who have left or been disfellowshipped?.
maybe a web site focusing on them?.
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Hospital Stay
by QUEENIE inhello everyone: came home yesterday and what a relief on both sides involved..6 days total due to diabetic blisters that got infective real bad and i tore myself away from my webtv to spend the last 6 days at a local hospital trying to clear it up hooked up to an iv pumping antibiotics in my veins 24/7...now i am home for home cookin -- hospitals do not cook to my tastebuds..among other things and also back to my webtv..(((((hugs to all))))
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Hi Queenie, sorry to hear you were in the hospital. It's good to hear you are feeling better, and it is good to have you back. Please take care of yourself, and WATCH YOUR SUGAR LEVELS
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My wife's anxiety, guilt
by ashitaka inmy wife has been depressed each time we see our jw friends.
she doesn't want to see them anymore, because it reminds her of what she left behind, and it makes her feel bad.. i've offered to go back to meetings for a while to help her break away.
she never wants to go back, but her guilt and anger make her so uncomfortable around active jw's.....it's really bothering her.. any good books out there on breaking away from controlling organizations, especially concentrating on keeping the friendships but not the allegiance to the organization in question?
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Hi Ashi, I just clicked on to the DB and saw your post, and I can only tell you that what she is going through is part of the separation process of being in the cult. Especially now during the season of the Memorial. My opinion is that they are emotionally black-mailing her into going back to the kingdom hall. I was told the same thing. "If you come back to the kingdom hall, we would see you and think and invite you to the gatherings, but because your not there,out of site,out of mind". This is actually what was told to me when I had asked a close friend why they don't stop by or call anymore. It is another form of passive aggression and all about control to emotionally black mail her into coming back. It is so dangerous and once there she will be exposed to the thought control given at the talks and more emotional controls. Ashi sometimes it is hard to close the door on something that was part of our life, and we feel insecure without the security of it, even if it is destructive. But in life we must shut the door behind us before new doors open. If she is feeling lonely, she is in the same boat as I was and my daughter who is now lost all of her freinds. She is getting pressured by her in-laws. It has been very difficult for her. If you need to e-mail me I can talk more openly about it. I have to go now. I have to be at the stable for my "horsey"
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THE ELDERS JUST CALLED US, NEED HELP
by ARoarer inthe elders just called us.
one called and another one got on the phone first to ask if my husband would meet with them.
my husband told them he had nothing to say, and if they are going to make any announcement from the platform that slanders our name in any way we will sue them personally, and if we do meet with them we would only do it if our lawyers come and to tell jr brown and mario marino to come also.
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OutnFree, The fax was overloaded with paper, and is working now so fire away whenever you want
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THE ELDERS JUST CALLED US, NEED HELP
by ARoarer inthe elders just called us.
one called and another one got on the phone first to ask if my husband would meet with them.
my husband told them he had nothing to say, and if they are going to make any announcement from the platform that slanders our name in any way we will sue them personally, and if we do meet with them we would only do it if our lawyers come and to tell jr brown and mario marino to come also.
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Ash, Heaven, Roybatty, I really don't care about being df'd because I don't have any family I am close that is in. My family are not witnesses, and my in-laws, are all JW perverts not talking to us anyway. I haven't been to a meeting since 1998, and my kids want no part of it either. I just was so angry that the one elder who was on the other fun as the "2nd witness" was a long time friend and knows the whole history of our family. We have always been so kind and hospitable to all of them and to be de-humanized in thier eyes as if we were such wicked people because our bodies are not at the KH was so annoying. We took no shit from them. My husband told them he had nothing to say and would not meet with them unless our lawyers were present. I got on the phone and told the one elder, and you know him Ash, that how can he dare have the audacity to call us up and try to entrap my husband, by not telling him right away that the other elder was on the phone for several minutes before letting him know. I said how can you dare accuse us of anything when I know for a fact that your own son is openly sleeping with an older women, and also doing the drug ecstacy. He never said one word after that. Then I told them how can they be after us when you are all losing your kids to drugs and alcohol and are all sexually active, but because they are your kids they have "elder immunity". I said they come and go in and out of the KH and everyone including you know what they are doing and yet because they go to a meeting once in a while it is ok to talk to them and and yet you are coming after us? Still not one word. Then I said to them you should be ashamed of yourselves for the way you have acted. We were never anything but kind and better friends to you than you ever were to us. You came to our daughter's wedding, ate drank, and yet shunned us, and we never heard from you after. It is you who should be ashamed. My husband and I are good people and all we want is to be left alone. Then I said if they should dare to make any announcement whatsoever that slanders our good name on the public platform, be assured we will personally sue you. I said I know that you don't want this and Watchtower we leave you out to dry on your own, and it will be you having to hire your own defense lawyer. Still no word. Than I said to the one friend elder that it was they not us who chose to abandon us and shun us. We have and alway will be the kind of people that would never turn our friends away if they ever needed us. We are happy and enjoying the peace in our life right now,and all we want is just to be left alone. That you better really think seriously about this because if you make any public announcement that implies to anyone we are bad people we will not sue the WT we will sue you indiviually and the congregation for slandering our good name. Then my husband told them we have no more to say and would like to end our conversation and they said ok and that was it. Our older son was livid and we found out today he called one of them up and said some things to the elder who had been so close to us. He told them if they choose to make any announcement about his parents, they would have to do the whole family because we are all united in this. Said some things but was very calm and respectful but firm in his resolve. The elder tried to tell him we just called your parents up to encourage them to come to a meeting. My son said comon you know me better than that, I have been in Bethel and have been in the Org. long enough to know the phone call was a judicial call that was why the 2 witness thing. And why now after all these years suddenly now to "encourage" them. Where were you during the Court case, for my parents. They are finally enjoying the peace in their lives and are happy after all those years of fighting you and suffering standing up to the WT Society. Then he said if you were going after them to ask if they celebrated Christmas why now 6 weeks or so after claiming you saw lights on the house. Then the elder asked him if we did. My son said I won't comment on that, but if you believe that, then you should take the same attitude the elders always gave my parents and the other victims when protecting child molesters, the famous line well we won't df we will wait on Jehovah to judge the pedophiles. The elder and my son ended the conversation with my son just telling him to leave his parents alone and they just want Jehovah's Witnesses to leave them alone now. No more phone calls. So that was that, and I am tired of typing so bye all
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Mickey Mouse & Santa Claus & JWs
by ARoarer inok everyone, i have had this on my mind since i decided to celebrate christmas this year for the first time since i became a jw at 19. i stopped because i was taught it was "pagan" and "idolatrous", and now on thinking clearly and with no jw's clouding my thoughts at meetings, i have reasoned personally, yes, jws will say that christmas is pagan and santa claus is a pagan lie to children.
and christmas is so commercialized and materialism is at it's finest.
yet when i think critically with powers of reasoning i see that though jws don't celebrate christmas, they love to go to disney world.
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Goldustwoman I know witnesses who love being happy in Mickey land until they have to fork over the money to the "Rat" as they say
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Mickey Mouse & Santa Claus & JWs
by ARoarer inok everyone, i have had this on my mind since i decided to celebrate christmas this year for the first time since i became a jw at 19. i stopped because i was taught it was "pagan" and "idolatrous", and now on thinking clearly and with no jw's clouding my thoughts at meetings, i have reasoned personally, yes, jws will say that christmas is pagan and santa claus is a pagan lie to children.
and christmas is so commercialized and materialism is at it's finest.
yet when i think critically with powers of reasoning i see that though jws don't celebrate christmas, they love to go to disney world.
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Heaven, it is another tactic to re-inforce that shunning is normal not an act of passive agression. Also the GB used to celebrate Christmas, tree and all. I think they came up with the idea of not celebrating it also because they didn't want to spend the bucks on giving presents to each other[:}]
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THE ELDERS JUST CALLED US, NEED HELP
by ARoarer inthe elders just called us.
one called and another one got on the phone first to ask if my husband would meet with them.
my husband told them he had nothing to say, and if they are going to make any announcement from the platform that slanders our name in any way we will sue them personally, and if we do meet with them we would only do it if our lawyers come and to tell jr brown and mario marino to come also.
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Greetings Dakota, I am sorry your kids have chosen to shun you. That is awful. Yes you are right, I learned the people who shared my life, were only aquaintances and not friends. Thank you for your words.
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My visit to the Hall Last Night- Highlights
by TR inblah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and blah.
monotone, monotone, monotone,.
monotone, monotone.. you were right, moxy.
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TR, when I read your account of the KH meeting I imagined I heard this wierd music and thought for a minute I was in the TWILIGHT ZONE Then suddenly I realized I am not but in the OUTER LIMITS instead
Seriously though, I think they are trying to slip in some new light to get them off the hook about condeming all who are not JW's by saying "the meek will inherit the earth". I always used that scripture when my children used to ask me if only witnesses would be in paradise. They stole my line -
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Cross or Stake, which is biblically true??
by butalbee incan somebody please explain to me biblically where it says jesus died on a stake and not a cross?
need theological details, please.
prove your stakely beliefs...
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Plmkrzy, excuse me dear, but it must have been a type error. It should have read "the israelites............to appease their God"
That better hon?? [8>]I don't think I said the Israelites "were nothing but a bunch of pagans" Plm I think you just said that.
What I said was Abraham and the Israelites practiced the same sacrifices the way many other pagans sacrificed human and animals to appease thier gods. In other words, the context of that was that they, being imperfect Israelites, adopted some of the ways the pagans worshipped thier gods. Abraham believed his God wanted him to sacrifice his son, as he already did with animals. The Israelites also adopted sacrificing thier children to the fire for the god Marduk. In both instances the True God expected no such thing from them. I believe the the True God used these imperfect people with their imperfect ways of worshipping Him to eventually bring forth the line of his Son, Christ Jesus. Jesus did away with thier bloody form of worship to his Father by "nailing the Law to the cross/stake" as his sacrifice was once for all time. He was perfect and civiiized enough to realize we don't go around cutting up animals and humans to worship his Father, but because the Israelites knew nothing better, his own human sacrifice of himself would take the place of what they had known. But at the Last Supper Jesus did not invite them to cut him and drink his blood, or taste his flesh, although that was in fact what they thought he meant until he said to them "this MEANS, my body and this Means my blood. He took into consideration that they only knew this and would understand the illustration using the wine and the unleavened bread to symbolize what they were familiar with.
Kapeeeeesh????