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  If The Bible Is Truly The Word Of God...

  by exjdub in

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  why would he leave so many loose ends?

  believe me, despite some of my comments about religion and my feelings about the bible, i do examine myself and my thinking process all of the time.

  i really do think deeply about my life and the lives of my family, and i really try to examine how i feel.

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  wouldn't it be critical to have those preserved by the Almighty?

  No. "You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life..."

  Paduan, I disagree, at least if you are going to build an entire religion around the Bible. You have to have proof that what you are learning came from the original manuscripts.

  How can a book be inspired by God, and yet, be so vague in so many areas...

  To who?

  To anyone who reads it.

  If prophecy is there to help people see the "sign" of the time of the end, why is it so confusing and there is no clear interpretation?

  Why would you seek things that tell you about an end?

  Because the Bible tells you to, that's why. Plus, that is what the whole theme of the Bible is...to get you to the end point.

  And how would you ever be able to verify a true prophet?

  Someone who tells you something that you know is true (ie. you identify with it, yeah), and it's usually hard for the world to accept it or listen to it (usually reject it), until later. - eg. Bob Dylan

  Picking a prophet because "you identify with it" is a recipe for disaster and a sure path to misplaced trust.

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  My Brother Begged Me To Come Back To Jehovah & His Organization!!!

  by minimus in

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  i recieved a 7 page "note" from my brother and his wife pleading with me to come back to jehovah god and his organization.

  he said the devil was after me and my family and that the results will be disastrous unless i come back to "jehovah's protective custody".

  also, it was strongly implied that unless my family went back to meetings and went out in field service, most jws, including family members would not attend my daughter's wedding and reception.my wife, daughter and i have been overtaken by the devil, according to him.

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  Minimus,

  Those "notes" are tough. It sounds like they are really sincere, although I did not like the sound of the implication about your daughter's wedding and reception. You almost feel bad until they start the ultmatum crap. I can't wait to see the scanned letter. Thanks.

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  Yiou Got Two Minutes Left Of Your Life, What Would You Do?

  by Yizuman in

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  saw an interesting thread, made me think....

  "what would you do if you found out you were going to die in 2 minutes?

  yiz

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  I would go on a diet. That's about how long they last for me...

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  If The Bible Is Truly The Word Of God...

  by exjdub in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why would he leave so many loose ends?

  believe me, despite some of my comments about religion and my feelings about the bible, i do examine myself and my thinking process all of the time.

  i really do think deeply about my life and the lives of my family, and i really try to examine how i feel.

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  You might find this book interesting. I read it and felt like a major veil had been lifted from my eyes --- Reading the Bible Again for the First Time:Taking the Bible Seriously But Not Literally, by Marcus Borg.

  If I can find it in the library I might take a look at it. I appreciate the recommendation.

  if God put SO MUCH importance on us believing it blindly, why would he have given us a brain to think? And why would he allow so much human meddling to mess up the message.

  And that, my friend, is the question, why would he? I don't have all the answers, just lots of questions...and the older I get the more questions I have. Thanks.

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  To current JWs/those who still go to meetings,etc - how is your faith? 5 Qs

  by my-journey in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know its stupid of me to post a new topic when i haven't finished reading my first thread, but i wanted to know stuff about any current jws that may be here.

  you don't need to reply if you want to tell me off or say something o/t.

  you can use my first thread for that, since that thread is more general.

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  eyedrevil,

  I sure hope he comes back, at least to give it one more try. Either way, thanks for the comments, I appreciate it.

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  Anyone vote now that....

  by kibizzle in

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  your out of the org?

  just curious, i probably won't i'm not much into politics anyway, but i was just thinking, now i can if i wanted too.... kib

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  Kibizzle,

  I finally registered to vote last year and this will be my first year to vote after being out of the Org for several years. It did feel strange to register but I am looking forward to voting. I think the thing that finally motivated me was reading one of Michael Moore's books. He mentioned that if you want to change things, especially on a local level, voting is the only way to do it. At least on a local level your voice can be heard. I thought it made sense. I couldn't complain about the way my city was growing and changing if I did not have a say.

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  I am new to the board

  by Pinned Blouse in

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  hello everyone, i am new to this discussion board.

  my name is pinned blouse because once i was wrongly df'd and i no longer attended the meetings, i noticed all my blouses had pin holes in them where i fastened safety pins in them to make sure i was always "modest" lol.

  mind you i do not have large boobies but i did not want to "tempt" the brothers.. .

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  Welcome Pinned Blouse, love the explanation and the name!
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  If The Bible Is Truly The Word Of God...

  by exjdub in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why would he leave so many loose ends?

  believe me, despite some of my comments about religion and my feelings about the bible, i do examine myself and my thinking process all of the time.

  i really do think deeply about my life and the lives of my family, and i really try to examine how i feel.

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  By the way Gumby...HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! I don't know how I missed that thread.
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  If The Bible Is Truly The Word Of God...

  by exjdub in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why would he leave so many loose ends?

  believe me, despite some of my comments about religion and my feelings about the bible, i do examine myself and my thinking process all of the time.

  i really do think deeply about my life and the lives of my family, and i really try to examine how i feel.

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  why can't a "God" who is SOOOO perfect and powerful provide clear and understandable documentation for us?

  I guess that's what I was trying to say Itz. Thanks for your thoughts.

  You have asked the exact same questions I did not too long ago. It was THESE questions you have just presented .....and finding the answers to them, that opened my eyes up to a whole new world.

  That's a relief to hear that someone else had the same questions Gumby. It was scary at first, well...terrifying if the truth be told, when we first left the Org., and you hit the nail right on the head: First went the religion, then went the hope.

  I have been out for some time now (7+ years) so I am not afraid about losing the hope anymore, because I don't believe in it, least ways not the way the WTS presents it, but I am very curious and think deeply on matters. I have PM'd a few people that have tried Buddhism and Taoism and have been interested in their experiences. I don't ask to pry, or to be obnoxious, I am just wide open right now and I guess I am looking to start a new journey, but have to break through some of the barriers of the fear of exploration that the WTS placed so deeply for 30+ years. I guess like any new adventure I feel mixed emotions of excitement, curiosity, and fear of the unknown. I think I might be ready though.

  BTW....you did a nice job at presenting your thoughts on this.

  Thank you VERY much for that comment. I took a deep breath before I pressed the post button. Sometimes my thoughts consume me and I wonder if I am crazy. I sure don't want anybody else thinking it. Or if they think it already, I don't need to remove any doubt!

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  July 1st Watchtower - The brothers are slowing down in their ministry

  by truthseeker in

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  the last watchtower i commented on, was about the friends tiring out and slacking off meeting attendance.

  each publisher did: 9.2 hours.

  ok, so the above is for one publisher.

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  In particular, they don't know what to do anymore - or how to 'guilt' or punish

  people who refuse to be 'guilted' or motivated into more useless meeting attendance or a sterile, phoney 'ministry'.

  What's the next step in this decline? Hysterical threats? More feeble attempts to motivate the inactive?

  Well said metatron. I think what amazes me is that the tactics never change. If they were smart they would downplay the guilt and punishment and focus on showing true love and concern. They certainly would not be seeing the mass exodus that is occuring. But as we know, their motive is money and power and they have no interest in helping people whatsoever. Good trees don't produce bad fruit and vice versa. Thanks for the information truthseeker...good stuff!

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